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Prices of Very Large Flat TVs are Falling Fast

Blumlein 88 said:
They do have acoustically transparent projector screens. You could probably get a 100 inch or a bit more in a roll down screen in your space.

They also have UST projectors Ultra Short Throw. These use lasers and sit right at the base of the screen while projecting pictures up to about 150 inch size. That way you don't need a ceiling mounted or out in the room projector in the way. Prices of those are a bit more and needs a special screen which is more, but those are also getting cheaper.

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Henry Kloss would be proud.
It's almost lost to the background noise of history (or maybe it's the microwave background from the Big Bang), but ol' 'enery started Advent, selling (presumably) fairly high-margin sealed monkey coffin loudspeakers to generate some working capital and brand cred so that he could produce and market a projection TV system. My recollection it was designed to be pretty short-throw, but the internet's not really backing me up (so far). :facepalm:

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source: https://www.retroist.com/p/videobeam-and-novabeam-televisions-and-henry-kloss

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EDIT: Sorry, one more -- this is too good to leave out. :)
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source: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6951
I reckon the anode voltage on those projection tubes is pretty smokin'. :eek:
 
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CINERAMAX said:
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Every one of those 100" cheapovisions are the wrong aspect ratio. And once you see a $55,000 MIP 1200 nit 105" xdr the believability of the colors is at another level.
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Unfortunately I will need to wait until the prices drop enough that unit has the price move the decimal over one digit left.
 
I still vividly remember a BS session with my friend Mike back in the CRT days on how kool it would be to someday have a TV you
could hang on the wall like a picture frame. Even then we never envisioned being able to buy these huge screens at pocket change money.
For both audio and video home entertainment these really are the golden years.
I wonder what the future will bring in another 10-25 years ?
At least for me, the times of daydreaming is over. I can't wishfully dream of anything we don't already have in these lines of tech?
 
CINERAMAX said:
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Every one of those 100" cheapovisions are the wrong aspect ratio. And once you see a $55,000 MIP 1200 nit 105" xdr the believability of the colors is at another level.
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I hope that image, as it appears on my iPad, isn’t supposed to represent accurate color. Apologies if the internet misrepresents it.
 
Oddball said:
Could not agree more. I am already thinking of 115", but prices are way to high now. So in couple of years 98" replaces 88" in the living room that is pushing a decade, and HT gets 115".
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largest TV I have ever owned was a 65" but that is going to change...when the house is rebuilt, going for a 85" minimum and possibly a 98." I find it hard to justify more than that because incremental price increase to go from 85 to 98 is almost double. At least that is how it is now. In 6 months the 98" might be less of a jump up from the 85", in the meantime since I have multiple tvs to replace, I am considering the TCL qm6k as it is a reasonable price at 65" and will go in the apartment we are in now with no trouble. It's not a high end set, but I was watching a comparison the other night on youtube comparing it against the Sony Bravia 9 and current prices here for the Sony is ~ 4k and the TCL is 750. Unless you have the two sets side by side you can hardly tell the difference in picture quality. TCL is killing it this year. Cannot wait to see the qm8k and see what it brings to the table.
 
livinon2wheels said:
At least that is how it is now. In 6 months the 98" might be less of a jump up from the 85",
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Go for the biggest you can afford for the location you use for movies, concerts, etc, but then get one well reviewed from the near TOTL builds.
Over the last 15y I went from a 65 to a 75 and now to an 85 and each progression up was a very worthwhile improvement for the immersion into viewing experience. I have no idea on lifespan as my sets were all working when I upgraded.
Good Luck !
 
livinon2wheels said:
What is the lifespan of a local dimming equipped TV?
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I don't think manufacturers spec that one. I have 10 years old Samsung FALD and it shows no signs of slowing down. Probably not used more than couple of hours a day though.

How will the new technology age is difficult to say, but I would cut the lifespan to 5-7 years as a matter of precaution. There are many more components in newer panels and larger panels are still emiting quite a bit of heat. My AC starts when the room temperature is more than 25 C. Another way to make sure your gear performs well and does not overheat.
 
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Oddball said:
How will the new technology age is difficult to say, but I would cut the lifespan to 5-7 years as a matter of precaution. There are many more components in newer panels and larger panels are still emiting quite a bit of heat. My AC starts when the room temperature is more than 25 C. Another way to make sure your gear performs well and does not overheat.
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Just as a precaution I put 2 notual fans on the stand blowing up behind the set.
Can't hear them running so we shall see.
Being retired and home a lot my sets see a lot of ON time.
 
I bought a LeEco UMax85 in November 2017 for $2,999. It has 448 active local dimming zones, supports 3D, DolbyVision and HDR. It's still running strong today. That was an excellent price for an 85" in 2017.

I've recently seen 98" and 100" units under $1,500 and 85" under $700. Good to know I'll be able to replace it for way less than I paid for it when or if it eventually dies.

Martin
 
Esprit said:
I can go up to 150" but I'm happy with 120". :)
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I have always liked projection. & now, if this place was empty, their might be a place to project 80".
In my previous place, I could have done 120" or 150". But here I just trip around. I bought a 12' x 14' storage building for the yard. I need 3 times that, at least. I like to do all my own automotive mechanic work, having had a full shop & lift to do it at my previous place. Here, I can barely change a tire & do not have a garage. I know that it is temporary.
I paid off both cars that I bought last year & some other stuff. That just makes it tight right now. But that will change in the next couple of years & then I'll find a place like I had before (or build it). In the meantime...
 
Problem with projectors is the screen must, by definition, reflect light. Blacks cant be any blacker than the screen is with the projector off, in the ambient light conditions.

So for good image quality they need to be watched in close to total darkness.
 
livinon2wheels said:
What is the lifespan of a local dimming equipped TV?
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Don't know the answer on the lifespan what i do know is that i brought back overall my contrast on my just 1 1/2 year old Qled 50 inch tv to 65% because i find that bright enough. Because of that i got a power saving from almost 35 watt (100 watt to 65 watt). I guess that will extend the lifespan for sure. Compared to my previous excellent almost 17 years old plasma tv ( around 270 watt or more 40 inch screen) it is a hugh power saving.
 
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antcollinet said:
So for good image quality they need to be watched in close to total darkness.
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There are specific screens, to counteract ambient light, and in any case between the larger size and absolute black (only possible for a certain TV technology) I prefer the larger size (how much does a 120" TV and up cost you?).
In a projector you don't have reflections on the screen, you don't have the light directly towards you (eye fatigue), you have lower consumption.
The current UST projectors that you place near the wall or the screen are quite bright.
Mine on a normal white wall (I photographed the wall with my iPhone):

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The photos below (photo taken six meters from the wall) are instead in a non completely dark environment, to watch a news program, obviously for me, it is more than enough (while I watch the news I don't worry about "deep" blacks):

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