Prices of Very Large Flat TVs are Falling Fast

[EJ3]

Pretty epic day!

No TV or projector since 2007.
Happy with that.

 

[Petrushka]

A large TV consumes twice as much as a UST projector, cannot be moved easily, does not have a lifespan of 30,000 hours.

I’ve never seen a projector, including those at the cinema, that had a picture equal to a good TV.

By good, I mean having as much dynamic range.

 

[EJ3]

I’ve never seen a projector, including those at the cinema, that had a picture equal to a good TV.

By good, I mean having as much dynamic range.

Visual dynamic range or audio dynamic range?

 

[Petrushka]

Visual dynamic range or audio dynamic range?

I don’t think of TVs as having audio.

I can’t actually remember the last time I heard TV speakers.

 

[pablolie]

I don’t think of TVs as having audio.

I can’t actually remember the last time I heard TV speakers.

Absolutely 200% ditto. I actually wish they's stop wasting money on integrated speakers in TVs. Just invest that into better pic quality.. Haven't used them in 25 years. Even when reviews claim they are great, they are barely adequate when you compare them to the setup you have for music. I extend the same sentiment to soundbars even when they creep up to the $1k bracket.

 

[Esprit]

I’ve never seen a projector, including those at the cinema, that had a picture equal to a good TV.

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[Madlop26]

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So; my sitting distance is 9 feet, then I should use a 65 inch TV? really? done that, quite awful; got a 98 inch TV, way better! but now I also have a 120 inch short throw projector, now we are talking about, the immersiveness!!

 

[Petrushka]

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As with SDR, the black level of HDR is not defined. Of course, it should be as low as possible, and ideally, lower than what SDR displays can produce. As part of its certification process, the UHD Alliance has two minimum specifications. In one, a display must have a peak brightness of at least 1,000 nits and a black level no higher than 0.05 nit (20,000:1 or 13.5 stops). This is clearly aimed at LCD TVs, which produce higher brightness than OLED displays. In the other specification, a display must have a peak brightness of at least 540 nits and a black level no higher than 0.0005 nit (1,080,000:1 or 20 stops). This is clearly aimed at OLED TVs, which can shut down pixels to pure black but can't get as bright as LCD flat panels.

Unfortunately, virtually no projector can meet these requirements, at least in terms of peak brightness, and there are no such specs for them.

HDR From A to Z

In this comprehensive Tech Talk, Scott Wilkinson explains what High Dynamic Range is, how it works, and the challenges of reproducing it with a projector.

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[Power Pop 23]

Maybe the thick bezels on a couple of flat TV's have become 'invisible' to my eyes. I would accept bezels wide enough for front-firing drivers and would like to see a back cabinet designed to help reproduce a 'reasonably loud volume of low distortion audio' down to a crossover point with a wireless subwoofer.

 

[Pearljam5000]

A large TV consumes twice as much as a UST projector, cannot be moved easily, does not have a lifespan of 30,000 hours.

How about 60,000 hours?

 

[Esprit]

Weight?
Electricity consumption?
Good night to you too.

 

[Power Pop 23]

I think projectors will remain available - with fewer models - at a generally higher markup - similar to the future for AVR's

 

[pablolie]

So; my sitting distance is 9 feet, then I should use a 65 inch TV? really? done that, quite awful; got a 98 inch TV, way better! but now I also have a 120 inch short throw projector, now we are talking about, the immersiveness!!

Recommendations are not mandates though. Just like in audio, we are allowed personal preferences. I'd also contend people that have a more dedicated video room have different motivations than those of us who enjoy a more multi-purpose environment that is not dominated by huge tower speakers or TVs or large racks of equipment.

 

[EJ3]

I don’t think of TVs as having audio.

I can’t actually remember the last time I heard TV speakers.

I'm guessing that you life in a city. Because out in the country, you would be wondering why do people listen to crappy TV speakers.
I wonder why they do all the time.

 

[Petrushka]

I'm guessing that you life in a city. Because out in the country, you would be wondering why do people listen to crappy TV speakers.
I wonder why they do all the time.

Even on this forum I’m older than average. My family got a TV when I was 11. It died after four years and they didn’t replace it.

I didn’t have a TV until married at age 24. Then we bought a five inch B&W Sony, which was our only TV for about eight years.

Eventually we got a 20 inch Proton, which had audio line out. That would have been in the 80s, and I haven’t used TV speakers since.

 

[Sal1950]

No TV or projector since 2007.
Happy with that.

I'd go nuts and be so bored.
What ya doing during your rehab?

 

[Sal1950]

I don’t think of TVs as having audio.

I can’t actually remember the last time I heard TV speakers.

Me either, I bought a Zvox soundbar some years back that supposedly has some hearing aid tech built in.
It does make the crappy sound included on regular TV shows much more intelligible to me.
Otherwise, anytime I'm running something that should have a decent soundtrack with it, I'll turn on the Hi-Fi surround system.

I’ve never seen a projector, including those at the cinema, that had a picture equal to a good TV.

By good, I mean having as much dynamic range.

Sure, Home projection is much too dark as a rule.
Only acceptable in a total blackout room on really huge screens, and them only marginally.
JMHO

 

[JSmith]

My experience is I can reduce the risk of eyestrain in a dark viewing space by reducing the backlighting on my flat TV.

Consider proper bias lighting;

Bias Lighting Fundamentals

Proper bias lighting plays a critical role in creating an ideal viewing environment for accurate color perception and visual comfort. The goal is to introduce controlled ambient light into the space surrounding your display, reducing eye strain and improving image clarity without affecting the...

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Proper bias lighting plays a critical role in creating an ideal viewing environment for accurate color perception and visual comfort. The goal is to introduce controlled ambient light into the space surrounding your display, reducing eye strain and improving image clarity without affecting the on-screen colors. MediaLight bias lighting products are specifically engineered to meet the highest industry standards for color accuracy and performance.

Why Use Bias Lighting?

When watching TV or working in dimly lit environments, your pupils dilate to adjust for the darkness. This can cause difficulty in perceiving subtle details in bright areas of the screen while simultaneously over-exposing your eyes to the display’s brightness. Bias lighting counteracts this by introducing low-level ambient light, which:

1. Reduces eye strain: By moderating rapid changes in brightness between screen content and the surrounding area.

2. Improves perceived contrast: Proper ambient light allows the eyes to adjust naturally, making blacks appear deeper and colors more vibrant.

3. Enhances color accuracy: A neutral light source surrounding the display minimizes color distortions caused by environmental lighting.

Extensive human factors research supports the benefits of bias lighting for prolonged viewing comfort and optimal image fidelity.

... something that seems to have been forgotten somewhat, yet is very important, especially for a properly calibrated HT display.


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[Blumlein 88]

Sure, Home projection is much too dark as a rule.
Only acceptable in a total blackout room on really huge screens, and them only marginally.
JMHO

That rule might be changing. LED and Laser light sources are making for affordable bright projectors with good color and no bulb to worry about. You'll reduce contrast with a lit room of course, but for some viewing that isn't a big issue if the projection is bright enough not to be washed out. Which already includes a much brighter room than you likely imagine if you've not used some of the newer projectors in the last two or three years. There have always been business oriented light cannons that had poor color, noise from fans and high electrical usage. Not so anymore.

 

[Sal1950]

There have always been business oriented light cannons that had poor color, noise from fans and high electrical usage. Not so anymore.

Thanks for the update! Video technology has been advancing at an amazing rate for all display types over the last few years..
I wish I had a room for a REALLY large screen. 100" is currently the financial break point for LED type screens, with 150+ inches being easily affordable from projection, if you have the right room. Who knows what the options may be in 10 years.