Power cable tech talk and a little help for Amir at Audio Science Review

[IAtaman]

Hair Bands of the 80's were certainly....something.

GnR is not a hair band. Are they?

 

[fpitas]

GnR is not a hair band. Are they?

Opinions vary. They were certainly glam enough at one point.

 

[IAtaman]

Opinions vary. They were certainly glam enough at one point.

Did some googling, seems like opinions vary violently. Holy moly. How upset people get when other people on the internet do not agree with them.

 

[fpitas]

Did some googling, seems like opinions vary violently. Holy moly. How upset people get when other people on the internet do not agree with them.

The internet was made for them.

 

[Sgt. Ear Ache]

Let’s make that an $ 80 DAC, shall we?

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Sure, why not? lol...

 

[Count Dacula]

With Old School audio, we were taught to eliminate unnecessary circuits, loops, and bottlenecks. Sure there was some low hanging fruit there with woefully undersized and overly long zip cords, unshielded connections and fawlty mains.

After a certain point, that sort of thinking becomes counter-productive, where more focus on essentials or just enjoying the music itself makes more sense. Like every other good idea, tweeking cables (et al) gets perverted into some runaway snowball cluster F of failed logic and cognitive biases.

It's worth reposting the list. I'll have to take some time to note all of the principles that apply here....

List of cognitive biases - Wikipedia

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(it's too vast to include here, but please click it and give us some feedback)

 

[Chrispy]

One of Danny's followers said you need to have a system that is "resolving" to hear the difference. I said what is exactly resolving? His example was a High end $5k Dac vs an $800 dac with Danny's cable then you would hear a difference.

He can hear the resolution of an emptier wallet.

 

[Axo1989]

Did some googling, seems like opinions vary violently. Holy moly. How upset people get when other people on the internet do not agree with them.

My two friends/business partners—a bit older than me—grew up with and swear by GnR. I don't follow, they sound slow, quirky and tame. Offering that opinion during an increasingly inebriated listening evening and things become animated.

Another GnR anecdote, buying a coffee in a cafe when a new cover of Knocking on Heaven's Door was playing, I said aloud 'wow that's great cover'. The barista, younger than me, said 'yeah I prefer the original' (as people do) and went on about GnR. Ok then ...

 

[ahofer]

One of Danny's followers said you need to have a system that is "resolving" to hear the difference. I said what is exactly resolving? His example was a High end $5k Dac vs an $800 dac with Danny's cable then you would hear a difference.

That’s roughly where the “whom are they hurting by believing this crap” argument starts to fray.

 

[theREALdotnet]

The video wasn’t all bad, though. I found his tilt at null testing hilarious, complete with practical demonstration of random noise and logic reversal

Frankly, there was no need to bring noise into this at all. The GR cable recording would obviously be different, because it contains the “whooosh” sound from when a veil is lifted.

 

[MattHooper]

Someone with enough budget and time should just buy what they say and do a proper AB test and then ask what to do next. It would be quite fun to follow..

Oh that's essentially been done. It's always the problem is your ears or gear. If you listened on the "right" gear and didn't hear a difference, then the problem is your hearing.

That's why they always say "Just because some people can't hear the difference doesn't mean we are wrong. We Know What We Can Hear."

 

[Count Dacula]

One of Danny's followers said you need to have a system that is "resolving" to hear the difference. I said what is exactly resolving? His example was a High end $5k Dac vs an $800 dac with Danny's cable then you would hear a difference.

Maybe he could specify exactly what gear qualifies as resolving enough, for diagnostic purposes and partly to save potential customers from an unnecessary expense.

 

[voodooless]

Maybe he could specify exactly what gear qualifies as resolving enough, for diagnostic purposes and partly to save potential customers from an unnecessary expense.

Obviously you need one of these:

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[IAtaman]

My two friends/business partners—a bit older than me—grew up with and swear by GnR. I don't follow, they sound slow, quirky and tame. Offering that opinion during an increasingly inebriated listening evening and things become animated.

Another GnR anecdote, buying a coffee in a cafe when a new cover of Knocking on Heaven's Door was playing, I said aloud 'wow that's great cover'. The barista, younger than me, said 'yeah I prefer the original' (as people do) and went on about GnR. Ok then ...

I grew up listening to GnR as well among other things. When I was a teen, we used to have long and heated debates about GnR. Whether it was Metal or just hard pop and such pointless things. I guess it was OK if people say they don’t like it. Calling it Hair or Glam, that is blasphemy. We might have a ****** taste but for sure we are not softies! That was important somehow back then

 

[solderdude]

The real question is... should we even watch Danny's videos and care about what he has to say in them.
The world is filled with nonsense this is just one of these (pseudo science) channels.
People that like to watch it and believe the crap he is spouting should just do so and not bother others with it or ask others if Danny is right. From a scientific p.o.v. he is wrong for the most part of it. Danny is mixing truths with (his) fiction. There are plenty more of those around b.t.w.

I realize he is also trying to damage Amir's reputation. No rebuttal from anyone, including Amir can 'undo' what Danny said and will say in the future.

There is no way around it... Amir and Danny would have to meet. Amir has to check the blind test, administer it and the whole thing recorded and only when Danny fails this test publicly and with undeniable evidence this might stop. NO sooner than that. As this is not going to happen it seems rather pointless to discuss that silly video and other silly videos for that matter.
ASR fans will believe Amir, GR fans will believe Danny. Nothing will change. Danny will continue to make silly videos, Amir will continue to review gear.

 

[voodooless]

The real question is... should we even watch Danny's videos and care about what he has to say in them.

Yes!

The world is filled with nonsense this is just one of these (pseudo science) channels.
People that like to watch it and believe the crap he is spouting should just do so and not bother others with it or ask others if Danny is right.

Some do, but we also see that what we’re doing here works. Danny would not need to make these videos specific referencing @amirm and his community if it weren’t so.

Ignoring a problem doesn’t make it go away.

 

[Mart68]

My two friends/business partners—a bit older than me—grew up with and swear by GnR. I don't follow, they sound slow, quirky and tame. Offering that opinion during an increasingly inebriated listening evening and things become animated.

Another GnR anecdote, buying a coffee in a cafe when a new cover of Knocking on Heaven's Door was playing, I said aloud 'wow that's great cover'. The barista, younger than me, said 'yeah I prefer the original' (as people do) and went on about GnR. Ok then ...

In fairness theirs is the best version.

I'd categorise them as somewhere on the spectrum that runs from punk, through glam and then into stadium rock - depending on what song they're playing.

I still play their albums pretty regularly but then I still listen to Van Halen too so there's probably no hope for me. Not old enough yet for Diana Krall or London Grammar.

Thankfullly.

 

[Killingbeans]

GnR is the kind of stuff that bites, but doesn't really leave a mark. Great fun though, and lots of ear worms.

My personal idea of a perfect balance between a fist full of Metal and a glob of cheese is the golden trio from Accept: Restless and Wild, Balls to the Wall and Metal Heart

Oh that's essentially been done. It's always the problem is your ears or gear. If you listened on the "right" gear and didn't hear a difference, then the problem is your hearing.

That's why they always say "Just because some people can't hear the difference doesn't mean we are wrong. We Know What We Can Hear."

And when they finally do the test themselves, we get: The test was stressful, and it killed the subtleties

 

[Deleted member 48726]

GnR is the kind of stuff that bites, but doesn't really leave a mark. Great fun though, and lots of ear worms.

My personal idea of a perfect balance between a fist full of Metal and a glob of cheese is the golden trio from Accept: Restless and Wild, Balls to the Wall and Metal Heart



And when they finally do the test themselves, we get: The test was stressful, and it killed the subtleties

Didn't know this band. Sounds like a blend between AC/DC and Metallica.

 

[Killingbeans]

I view them more like a budget version of Judas Priest that goes all in on the attitude and actually manages to pull it off.