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Power Amplifiers, phono premamps and other new to this questions... Reign me in

I'm pretty sure in a room 3x5.5m the amp will drive most speakers I'm looking at

Max power210/420/510 W in 8/4/2 Ω

I don't think I'll be needing more than 210w at 8ohm unless I've not done my home work correctly.
The lowest dB driven speakers I'm looking at are - 82db, I'm not an audio scientist just learning as I go along.

Please understand I respect your insight.
My think is if I'm auditioning speakers would it not be best to take the amp I'm intending on purchasing?
 
What @LTig said, and, if you want EQ, why not something like the Wiim Amp pro (for passive speakers), or The Wiim pro plus (for active speakers)? Another suggestion (based on own experience): Never buy components for a system you have not 100% planned.

Auditioning speakers, while everybody does it, has limitations - the biggest one is the room. It really only makes sense in your own room.
The other possibility: buying well tested active speakers and EQ them to fit your room. With EQ you can get any "room curve" you want.
Side effect (for me a nice one) - it eliminates all worries regarding the amp.
 
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Let's assume I'm getting a boxam 4612 power amp.
Speakers to be determined.
Phono/turntable at a later stage probably hook up the sl1210mk2s for now.
Which room correction should I be considering please?
Thanks.
'Dons what's left of my dealer hat again...'

With vinyl, SOURCE FIRST - ALWAYS!!!!!!!!! (Digital is a done deal with dacs for a ton or less, but vinyl isn't like that)

A-D encoding in the speakers mentioned, is an audibly invisible and totally straightforward thing to do, although being fairly new here and looking on subjectivist tech-ignorant forums and YouTube sites (remember that the likes of Darko are paid to do these vids and the likes of 'Uncle Paul' need to promote their products and weave his stories around them), will give you erroneous views. We here may be perceived as equally bonkers in the opposite way of thinking, but there is a great bit in the middle, where a carefully chosen low distortion system can make music involving and entertaining too. I come from an objective era in the mid 70s when I started out, went all subjective in the 80s when one would have bass-less speakers fed from a then warm and bloated sounding vinyl source which added a belt driven 'swing' as well (it still retains that - peeps here would call it dynamic wow). 'Digital' came along and all it did was show the bass-less screechy speakers we were using. I started to come out of this by the late 80s, but look back in some horror of those dark UK times and how some pals to this day, worship Linn Kans, Heybrook HB1s and related boxes...

So, a MODERN pro monitor with built-in A-D may be initially too much for you to understand or contemplate right now (I'm NOT patronising here I swear), but it works and is inaudible in operation. Our hearing isn't that good you know and most of the subjectivist tribe don't understand this at all and make up all manner of flowery prose to justify what they often think they hear. With these people, it's ALL multi-sensory and not simply hearing (I still get caught out and did fairly recently with something I was doing here in my ancient rig). They're against double-blind or even level-matched blind A-B tests as they're almost certainly scared they'd fail (all described over many old threads here so I won't labour the point further).

PLEASE ensure the phono stage has a sub 20Hz filter, as there's usually nothing musically cut on a record below 40Hz or so (bass is mono'd anyway) and it'll stop useless and potentially damaging cone-flap. ALL smaller speakers with 6" bass cones or less, will distort badly if pushed to highish levels below 80Hz or so (heavy synth notes and so on) and I have memories of a supposed bass-less track by The Police (from the Message In A Box CD set), where despite the toppy balance, Mr Copeland's kick drum caused my then speakers to 'pop.'

So please, before shelling out loads of dosh on a fancy system, could you read up on some of the speakers reviewed here - the Ascilabs now sold by Keith @Purité Audio would make for an excellent non-KEF passive start (he has some KEFs too still I believe, so if you could travel, you might have an interesting dem - he used to be into valves and vinyl too I remember so can speak from experience here).

Hope the mini essay above helps a bit :D
 
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Absolutely I never planned active speakers

Initially amp speakers and turntable.
So no only amp and speakers with room correction. Yes the wiim amp pro is on the cards atm.

I'll come back shortly as on the go atm
 
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'Dons what's left of my dealer hat again...'

With vinyl, SOURCE FIRST - ALWAYS!!!!!!!!! (Digital is a done deal with dacs for a ton or less, but vinyl isn't like that)

A-D encoding in the speakers mentioned, is an audibly invisible and totally straightforward thing to do, although being fairly new here and looking on subjectivist tech-ignorant forums and YouTube sites (remember that the likes of Darko are paid to do these vids and the likes of 'Uncle Paul' need to promote their products and weave his stories around them), will give you erroneous views. We here may be perceived as equally bonkers in the opposite way of thinking, but there is a great bit in the middle, where a carefully chosen low distortion system can make music involving and entertaining too. I come from an objective era in the mid 70s when I started out, went all subjective in the 80s when one would have bass-less speakers fed from a then warm and bloated sounding vinyl source which added a belt driven 'swing' as well (it still retains that - peeps here would call it dynamic wow). 'Digital' came along and all it did was show the bass-less screechy speakers we were using. I started to come out of this by the late 80s, but look back in some horror of those dark UK times and how some pals to this day, worship Linn Kans, Heybrook HB1s and related boxes...

So, a MODERN pro monitor with built-in A-D may be initially too much for you to understand or contemplate right now (I'm NOT patronising here I swear), but it works and is inaudible in operation. Our hearing isn't that good you know and most of the subjectivist tribe don't understand this at all and make up all manner of flowery prose to justify what they often think they hear. With these people, it's ALL multi-sensory and not simply hearing (I still get caught out and did fairly recently with something I was doing here in my ancient rig). They're against double-blind or even level-matched blind A-B tests as they're almost certainly scared they'd fail (all described over many old threads here so I won't labour the point further).

PLEASE ensure the phono stage has a sub 20Hz filter, as there's usually nothing musically cut on a record below 40Hz or so (bass is mono'd anyway) and it'll stop useless and potentially damaging cone-flap. ALL smaller speakers with 6" bass cones or less, will distort badly if pushed to highish levels below 80Hz or so (heavy synth notes and so on) and I have memories of a supposed bass-less track by The Police (from the Message In A Box CD set), where despite the toppy balance, Mr Copeland's kick drum caused my then speakers to 'pop.'

So please, before shelling out loads of dosh on a fancy system, could you read up on some of the speakers reviewed here - the Ascilabs now sold by Keith @Purité Audio would make for an excellent non-KEF passive start (he has some KEFs too still I believe, so if you could travel, you might have an interesting dem - he used to be into valves and vinyl too I remember so can speak from experience here).

Hope the mini essay above helps a bit :D
I've got to say initially on my search I'm thinking what's he on about they only sell 2 products the boxem amp and the ascilab BS speakers.
Couldn't see it then by pure chance and I've visited the site several times found the product selection link

So listing here for future ref and remember to scroll down past the only 2 pics... On android phone it ain't that obvious but once you know, you know

 
I have 1500 plus vinyls and to me it's the experience and vibe more over the sound of vinyls, hence the Implementation for streaming.
Have your cake and eat it too? Sure! Follow these simple instructions.

If you have a collection that you enjoy, one option is to not put the needle down. Select an LP, pull it out, place it on the TT, and recline on a comfy chair with the cover while listening to the digital. This delivers better sound quality while preserving the needle and the LP's grooves. Unfortunately if you need to actually play some of the LPs, perhaps because you don't have a digital alternative, you will therefore need to maintain the deck in good condition and properly set up. Howevah, just because you've got a deck in good condition, properly set up, doesn't mean you have to use it all the time.

Best of both worlds.
 
I'm starting to wind down to simpleton and gone through the process of discovery, confusion, abandonment and simplification.
I'm going to take a trip to London unless anyone knows anywhere closer.
Its going to satisfy my intrigue of the amp, passive and active speakers the latter I not considered which is odd as I've technically had them without really thinking about it. Then a conversation without the charm of the snake oil charmer!

Sigberg SBS.1

I'm going to have a Convo re what precedes this and yes I am going vinyl with what I have just upgrade the cartridge on my 1210mkIIs once. Refurbed.

I'll have a conversation once I'm up in London on everything else and hopefully calm my head down....im going to have a chat with Purité Audio!
 
1. You make your own fun.
2. It's also nice to have a bottle of fine wine or scotch and not drink it ... yet.
3. Who is fooling whom?
4. Who are you kidding when you play the LP while there's a WiiM right there that has the same album?
Very valid points.
Just had a chat about all this.
Basically I have the decks.
Vinyls there.
Just need to sort my head and thought process out... Your points are very valid and like a lot of people, the rabbit hole was becoming gradually obvious to me.
Bit like a crypto scam
 
Very valid points.
Just had a chat about all this.
Basically I have the decks.
Vinyls there.
Just need to sort my head and thought process out... Your points are very valid and like a lot of people, the rabbit hole was becoming gradually obvious to me.
Bit like a crypto scam
Awesome! So it's now just a matter of either WiiM Ultra with the active boxes of your choice or WiiM Amp Pro with the passives.
 
Thanks MC.. Yep that is going to depend on the outcome of my visit witKeith next weds
 
I'm going to make a suggestion. If vinyl is your thing, why don't you look at the NAD 316BEEE? It was recently reviewed here, and it's a good solid basic unit with a very good phono stage and it's fairly inexpensive. And that's the beauty -- a phonograph, the NAD, and some good speakers. ps as mentioned earlier, pay attention to that pickup, it's important.
 
One can even have the cake and keep it - by digitizing the LPs to FLAC. So they don't get a bit more worn out with every playback.
 
One can even have the cake and keep it - by digitizing the LPs to FLAC. So they don't get a bit more worn out with every playback.
It's not the same though. Remember that 'listening' via a sound system is a multi-sensory experience and 'playing a gramophone record' is FAR more than the 'sound quality' or not, of the medium itself...

I know, you young-uns may not understand (my son doesn't really, although he rips his CDs and plays these instead...).
 
It's not the same though. Remember that 'listening' via a sound system is a multi-sensory experience and 'playing a gramophone record' is FAR more than the 'sound quality' or not, of the medium itself...

I know, you young-uns may not understand (my son doesn't really, although he rips his CDs and plays these instead...).
This exactly reflects my experience.
Vinyl is a journey. For me it started in 82 and continued.
Its the nostalgia, experience, process, tactility, memories... The crackles and imperfections.
Not just the sound
 
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I'm still very fond of Parks Audio Waxwing DSP phono:
http://parksaudiollc.com/
Easily my single biggest vinyl sonic upgrade ever. Plus, if you connect to the rest of the system via Toslink, turntable + preamp can be located some distance away, rather than being tethered by a ~1 meter cable.
 
It's not the same though. Remember that 'listening' via a sound system is a multi-sensory experience and 'playing a gramophone record' is FAR more than the 'sound quality' or not, of the medium itself...

I know, you young-uns may not understand (my son doesn't really, although he rips his CDs and plays these instead...).
Young-uns, thanks, YMMD really :) I'm 58 and understand such sentiment, but I don't really share it.
All my LPs are digitized, so the turntable is now mainly busy looking good (which is good from an aesthetic point of view).
It gets some work, when family and friends bring their LPs. Happens sporadically, but happens.
All my CDs are ripped to FLAC.

As the Germans say: Jede Jeck ist anders.
 
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This exactly reflects my experience.
Vinyl is a journey. For me it started in 82 and continued.
Its the nostalgia, experience, process, tactility, memories... The crackles and imperfections.
Not just the sound
If this is the way you are listening, you will be more happy with "traditional Hi-Fi", maybe even vintage etc.
For me the first CD was the "wow moment" of clear, pure sound. Each attitude is not better, nor worse than the other, it's just different.
 
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