Possible solution for DTS/Dolby/Atmos+eARC+HDCP to AES/EBU - via Dante? (for Okto DAC8PRO etc)

[poopy]

New news as of last week. Targeting Q4

AudioControl Hyperion Series with Dirac Live Active Room Treatment Coming for CI Integrators: CEDIA 2025

AudioControl’s Hyperion Series with Dirac Live ART, Room Correction, and Bass Control delivers professional-grade audio for custom installers and home theaters, launching Q4 2025.

www.ecoustics.com

SInce there will be plenty of glitches when released anyway, I'd wait at least another 6 months after release before buying anything like that.

 

[welwynnick]

Welwynnick:
How many channels can the Elytone board generate?

Storm says using this DSP has enabled 3 more channels (35 now up from 32).

In the configuration made for the VID-1X1, the single chip is handling 16 channels of Atmos, plus post-processing, and 16 channels of Dante output all running within the single chip.

I see what you mean, but it doesn't look like Storm is using the Elytone board, not that it matters.
Storm state the ADEC is an in-house development.
I agree about 96k to 48k decimation, but what that means is that if Dolby do require the decoder to be bit-perfect, it must decode at native rate.

 

[Audiovibes]

I see what you mean, but it doesn't look like Storm is using the Elytone board, not that it matters.
Storm state the ADEC is an in-house development.
I agree about 96k to 48k decimation, but what that means is that if Dolby do require the decoder to be bit-perfect, it must decode at native rate.

The Storm engineers can program the software on the chip in house. Elytone is a hardware company not a software company. When you buy hardware from them you’re responsible to program it yourself. They just have the hardware pre-certified for all the formats. But the chips come with no software installed when you buy them.

This is why there’s companies like Midengine audio licensing VID-1X1 platforms running their software:

Licensing & Technologies — MidEngine Audio

www.midengineaudio.com

And it’s also why Arvus has been struggling to get the hardware running smooth. He probably hired programmers that don’t know what they’re doing.

 

[darth]

Hyperion page got updated

Hyperion | Professional Audio

Built from the ground up for the professional installation world, Hyperion combines AudioControl’s legendary sonic mastery with the cutting‑edge video and network expertise of AVPro to give you the ultimate toolkit for immersive, future‑ready home theaters.

www.avproglobal.com

Not sure why it has DACs

Source https://avproglobal.egnyte.com/dl/KfQ6c46M6pxD

 

[Audiovibes]

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Hyperion page got updated

Hyperion | Professional Audio

Built from the ground up for the professional installation world, Hyperion combines AudioControl’s legendary sonic mastery with the cutting‑edge video and network expertise of AVPro to give you the ultimate toolkit for immersive, future‑ready home theaters.

www.avproglobal.com

Not sure why it has DACs

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Source https://avproglobal.egnyte.com/dl/KfQ6c46M6pxD

The APR-16 has DAC’s. The DPR-16 is digital output only. So probably a screw up. They just copied and pasted the APR specs and put in the DPR page.

I’d be shocked if they’re actually getting those specs out of the ES9039Q2M. They’re just quoting the raw chip specs.

 

[Audiovibes]

These products here look interesting:

 

[welwynnick]

Hyperion page got updated

Hyperion | Professional Audio

Built from the ground up for the professional installation world, Hyperion combines AudioControl’s legendary sonic mastery with the cutting‑edge video and network expertise of AVPro to give you the ultimate toolkit for immersive, future‑ready home theaters.

www.avproglobal.com

In the context of this thread, the DPR-16 is the one I've really been waiting for, but I fear the price is going to be more Trinnov Altitude CI than Nuprime H16.

 

[welwynnick]

The APR-16 has DAC’s. The DPR-16 is digital output only. So probably a screw up. They just copied and pasted the APR specs and put in the DPR page.
I’d be shocked if they’re actually getting those specs out of the ES9039Q2M. They’re just quoting the raw chip specs.

Rumours of manufacturers quoting chips specs rather than unit measurements have circulated for a long time, but are difficult to pin down. Universal Audio are my favourite.
The APR-16 would be miles ahead of any other AVP if those figures are real.
However the ESS specs for the ES9039 are higher - 122dB THDN and -132dB DNR.
Also, AudioControl's Maestro X9S uses ES9038PRO SABRE DACs, and that only claims -100dB THDN, so AudioControl don't seem to claim chip specs in practice.
Getting -120dB THDN out of any AVP would be an almighty achievement though.
It might even be enough to make me think twice about going for an all-digital processor.

 

[masterhw]

Getting -120dB THDN out of any AVP would be an almighty achievement though.
It might even be enough to make me think twice about going for an all-digital processor.

miniDSP Flex HTx hits it, but with the caveats of only 8 channels and no Dolby/DTS decoding (must be performed by source). But this figures are achievable for a capable engineer. I also hope it becomes more common.

 

[Audiovibes]

Rumours of manufacturers quoting chips specs rather than unit measurements have circulated for a long time, but are difficult to pin down. Universal Audio are my favourite.
The APR-16 would be miles ahead of any other AVP if those figures are real.
However the ESS specs for the ES9039 are higher - 122dB THDN and -132dB DNR.
Also, AudioControl's Maestro X9S uses ES9038PRO SABRE DACs, and that only claims -100dB THDN, so AudioControl don't seem to claim chip specs in practice.
Getting -120dB THDN out of any AVP would be an almighty achievement though.
It might even be enough to make me think twice about going for an all-digital processor.

If you’re not using active speakers with built in Dacs/amps much of the benefit of Dante/AES67 is lost anyways. Might as well use an all in 1 box for less clutter if the DAC section is actually that good.

 

[welwynnick]

miniDSP Flex HTx hits it, but with the caveats of only 8 channels and no Dolby/DTS decoding (must be performed by source). But this figures are achievable for a capable engineer. I also hope it becomes more common.

Yes it does, but the Flex HTX only has an HDMI eARC input - in other words it's an HDMI output that doesn't carry any video.
There are no devices that carry a conventional HDMI audio input from a player (as distinct from a TV) that get anywhere near that level of performance.
There are a few stereo DACs like the Blusound Node, SMSL DO200 Pro and Fosi ZD3 that have eARC and perform well. So maybe the Hyperion's specs reflect using eARC?

 

[Audiovibes]

There’s a chance that the new DAC section of the Storm ISP 32 Elite is well engineered. Otherwise most AVP DAC sections are junk.

 

[darth]

In the context of this thread, the DPR-16 is the one I've really been waiting for, but I fear the price is going to be more Trinnov Altitude CI than Nuprime H16.

Lack of competition in the space would do that. The AVR version is supposedly to be announced on the 15th, let's see if that happens and what price it comes in at. The digital version will hopefully be cheaper than that considering no dacs or amps.

 

[Audiovibes]

Dante has added 96kHz support in AES67 mode:

Dante Expands ST 2110-30 and AES67 Support for Improved Interoperability

Audinate announced expanded support for current SMPTE ST 2110-30 and AES67 standards and added 96kHz sample rate support. The latest updates further strengthen Dante's integration, building on a foundation of interoperability and high-performance audio transport, with new tools to meet the...

audioxpress.com

 

[Audiovibes]

Lack of competition in the space would do that. The AVR version is supposedly to be announced on the 15th, let's see if that happens and what price it comes in at. The digital version will hopefully be cheaper than that considering no dacs or amps.

I predict the DPR-16 will retail between $5000-7000 USD. With no channel licencing like Trinnov.

They can’t go too high because the APR-16 is in a very competitive category. And without the DAC section, along with the smaller chassis, the DPR-16 should be at least 30% cheaper than the APR-16.

 

[darth]

Email from nuprime

I misunderstood our production schedule, thinking September 10 was the H16-AES ship date. It was actually the start of assembly; the shipment is scheduled for the end of September.

 

[darth]

In the context of this thread, the DPR-16 is the one I've really been waiting for, but I fear the price is going to be more Trinnov Altitude CI than Nuprime H16.

Per the other thread and rumors on other forums sounds like it's going to be $4k? So a lot cheaper than a base altitude ci

Curious if anyone knows if the altitude CI even has earc? Don't see it explicitly mentioned in their docs or even the back panel.

It does

 

[welwynnick]

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beatelund6
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#19 · Sep 9, 2025
Prices that I got whispered to me $4000 DPR-16 and $8000 APR

Per the other thread and rumors on other forums sounds like it's going to be $4k?

That rumour seems to be borne out by AudioControl's confirmation of the APR-16 price of $8k

So a lot cheaper than a base altitude ci

Yeah, and the base ALCI only gives you 8 digital channels for $11k.
16 digital channels will cost £16k, and the Storm EVO is even more.
It even slightly under-cuts the Arvus H2-4D, and I think I know which one I would rather have.

 

[darth]

That rumour seems to be borne out by AudioControl's confirmation of the APR-16 price of $8k

Yeah, and the base ALCI only gives you 8 digital channels for $11k.
16 digital channels will cost £16k, and the Storm EVO is even more.
It even slightly under-cuts the Arvus H2-4D, and I think I know which one I would rather have.

Would have been nice of trinnov made the licensing even more flexible. So not just per pair of channels but also the output type. AES3 would be the base and analog or Dante would be added cost.

 

[darth]

Looks like the H16-AES is starting to ship. Already shipped for non US folks. Next Wednesday for US folks.