Positioning stand-mount speakers close to the floor (Mo-FI Source Point 10 accessory inspired)

[Matt_Holland]

Whilst browsing the Mo-FI website I noticed they offer a stand for the Source Point 10 that places them very close to the ground.

From the website:

Purpose-built for MoFi Electronics’ SourcePoint 10 Loudspeakers, the Low Slung Stands are crafted from high-quality wood to provide a sturdy foundation while complementing the speakers’ aesthetic. Designed to position the SourcePoint 10 speakers low to the ground with a perfectly angled tilt, these stands optimize sound performance and offer a fresh, modern look. Each stand features rubberized feet to ensure stability and protect your floors.

Has anyone tried this approach with their Mo-FI or other loudspeaker? If so what is your opinion on the approach?

It was interesting to see this rather old-fashioned way of positioning speakers. I think it can look great aesthetically in the right room, particularly if you are going for an overall retro look.

My experience with mounting speakers close to the floor is that it gives a useful additional bass boost and a fuller mid-range sound, presumably from a reduction of, or elimination or floor bounce cancellation.

 

[JohnnyNG]

Seems like maybe that started with the Heresy long ago. I like it.

 

[thewas]

My experience with mounting speakers close to the floor is that it gives a useful additional bass boost and a fuller mid-range sound, presumably from a reduction of, or elimination or floor bounce cancellation.

Same experience here (and my measurements usually confirm that), the disadvantage (everything is a compromise) is usually that the perceived soundstage gets lowered too.

 

[Matt_Holland]

Same experience here (and my measurements usually confirm that), the disadvantage (everything is a compromise) is usually that the perceived soundstage gets lowered too.

One of the key benefits of a 3-way speaker for me is the possibility to mount a drive unit low down that reproduces the frequencies that would, in a higher position, create a floor bounce cancellation without affecting the performance of the main midrange driver.

 

[Matt_Holland]

To add to post #4 I find it interesting that the crossover frequency on the Mo-FI 3-way floorstander models is very low at 130Hz which potentially doesn’t solve the floor bounce cancellation problem.

Andrew Jones knows much better than me though!

 

[DSJR]

They're big, aren't they (NOT a criticism!!! ). I believe the JBL L100 Classics have a similar low slung and slightly tilted stand too (such a shame these kinds of speakers aren't wanted over these parts, preferences going for inferior slim organ-pipe tuned 'towers.'

Still, they do look great to me

 

[thewas]

One of the key benefits of a 3-way speaker for me is the possibility to mount a drive unit low down that reproduces the frequencies that would, in a higher position, create a floor bounce cancellation without affecting the performance of the main midrange driver.

Actually that is for me one of the main benefits of a large enough 3-way floorstander or of a sub-sat system. Floorstanders with several woofers "smear" even more such dips.

 

[Soniclife]

To add to post #4 I find it interesting that the crossover frequency on the Mo-FI 3-way floorstander models is very low at 130Hz which potentially doesn’t solve the floor bounce cancellation problem.

Andrew Jones knows much better than me though!

I'm increasingly convinced that floor bounce isn't an audible problem, despite it's very measurable impact. I'm 100% convinced it's not something you should try and fix with DSP, it always sounds worse with any attempt to fix.

 

[Soniclife]

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Whilst browsing the Mo-FI website I noticed they offer a stand for the Source Point 10 that places them very close to the ground.

From the website:

Purpose-built for MoFi Electronics’ SourcePoint 10 Loudspeakers, the Low Slung Stands are crafted from high-quality wood to provide a sturdy foundation while complementing the speakers’ aesthetic. Designed to position the SourcePoint 10 speakers low to the ground with a perfectly angled tilt, these stands optimize sound performance and offer a fresh, modern look. Each stand features rubberized feet to ensure stability and protect your floors.

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Has anyone tried this approach with their Mo-FI or other loudspeaker? If so what is your opinion on the approach?

It was interesting to see this rather old-fashioned way of positioning speakers. I think it can look great aesthetically in the right room, particularly if you are going for an overall retro look.

My experience with mounting speakers close to the floor is that it gives a useful additional bass boost and a fuller mid-range sound, presumably from a reduction of, or elimination or floor bounce cancellation.

I really like the look with these and other speakers, the visual impact on the room is reduced, so much that bigger speakers can integrate better than smaller stand mounts.

Fink Kim is similar in approach, not as low to the ground.

I've got a pair in black, and am delighted with them.

 

[DVDdoug]

One problem is when you angle them (up or down) then distance to the speaker changes the angle. If they are level and at ear height when sitting, they are at approximately everybody's hear-height no matter where they are sitting the the room.

But... compromises are not uncommon as long as you know what the compromises might be.

 

[Bmoze]

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I really like the look with these and other speakers, the visual impact on the room is reduced, so much that bigger speakers can integrate better than smaller stand mounts.

Fink Kim is similar in approach, not as low to the ground.

I've got a pair in black, and am delighted with them.

I, too, have a pair in black and love them. Have you added subs to yours?

 

[jhaider]

Has anyone tried this approach with their Mo-FI or other loudspeaker? If so what is your opinion on the approach?

For a big concentric there’s some merit. You’ll want to be slightly off axis to avoid the cancellation notch. With the drivers low, you get that even if you toe them in straight at you. (Most speakers are mounted too low anyway IMO - listening axis should be ~45” off the ground. And I’m no giant - barely 6’1”. But I guess others have shorter torsos or low-slung seating.)

A long time ago I did kind of the opposite with TAD/Pioneer coaxes: L and R at ear level and “overtoed” with C raised up so that it was the same amount off axis at the RSP.

 

[Soniclife]

I, too, have a pair in black and love them. Have you added subs to yours?

Not yet, it might happen in the future, but I don't lack bass in my room.

 

[Soniclife]

the disadvantage (everything is a compromise) is usually that the perceived soundstage gets lowered too

With my Kim's I find most sound floats above the speakers, but hard panned sounds drift down a little, I rarely notice it but it's there.

 

[Matt_Holland]

I'm increasingly convinced that floor bounce isn't an audible problem, despite it's very measurable impact. I'm 100% convinced it's not something you should try and fix with DSP, it always sounds worse with any attempt to fix.

I think it can be audible just as any nearby boundary cancellation can be. Part of the optimisation process of positioning speakers I think is to achieve a combination of comb filtering that smooths out the lower midrange and bass regions. I agree that DSP shouldn’t be used to lift dips in the response.

 

[Soniclife]

I think it can be audible just as any nearby boundary cancellation can be. Part of the optimisation process of positioning speakers I think is to achieve a combination of comb filtering that smooths out the lower midrange and bass regions. I agree that DSP shouldn’t be used to lift dips in the response.

For clarity I think it's audible, but not a problem, it's just different, and the brain very quickly adapts.

 

[Soniclife]

I think the D&D 8c might look and work really well on a low tilted stand, if they made a dedicated stand they could have a custom config for it as well.

 

[Matt_Holland]

I think the D&D 8c might look and work really well on a low tilted stand, if they made a dedicated stand they could have a custom config for it as well.

Indeed.
And also the Sigberg Manta which is 60cm tall.

 

[xanalog]

Being that SP10s are of concentric (point-source) design, their contour and polar plots -horizontal/vertical--are very wide.
A bit of an upward tilt probably helps reduce with floor bounce and what he refers to "designed...optimize sound performance".
Erin's yt review does not recommend direct/on-axis (L/R) placement.
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