Poll: Which Ascilab Speakers Are You Interested In?

[phoenixdogfan]

Let's wait to see what happens. If there is one constant, it is that our government doesn't know what it is doing from one week to another on this topic.

There's probably going to be some "deal" which miraculously results in little or no tariffs from both Japan and South Korea with you know who taking a bow for fixing the "problem."

 

[Liberal Democracy]

Let's wait to see what happens. If there is one constant, it is that our government doesn't know what it is doing from one week to another on this topic.

How on earth are you ment to run a business with this chaos., let alone start one !

Just how inspiring is this chaos to potential investors, you know sterling used to be the reserve currency.

There's no guarantee the dollar will withstand all this nonsense, then where will the US national debt be . Difficult to default when the reserve staus is blown .

I feel for you right now mate , no good deed goes unpunished! Hope it all works out ( im sure you will prevail regardless) .

 

[amirm]

There's probably going to be some "deal" which miraculously results in little or no tariffs from both Japan and South Korea with you know who taking a bow for fixing the "problem."

They are actually making noises in that regard. But with my luck, if it happens, it would be after we pay the tariff on our order.

FYI, just paid $560 tariff on a Topping device for review! Company is reimbursing me for it but these tariffs are real. And massive in nature. Worse yet, the carriers are charging surcharges and handling this in the worst way possible. With this DHL order, I had 2 days to pay it or they threatened to destroy or return the product to originator!

 

[dfuller]

FYI, just paid $560 tariff on a Topping device for review!

Yikes! Topping stuff generally isn't expensive too...

 

[JPA]

They are actually making noises in that regard. But with my luck, if it happens, it would be after we pay the tariff on our order.

FYI, just paid $560 tariff on a Topping device for review! Company is reimbursing me for it but these tariffs are real. And massive in nature. Worse yet, the carriers are charging surcharges and handling this in the worst way possible. With this DHL order, I had 2 days to pay it or they threatened to destroy or return the product to originator!

By the way, Amir, next time I send you a piece of gear to test I'm going to have to charge you a 20% tariff. After all, you do live in a different state.

 

[Grimoire]

By the way, Amir, next time I send you a piece of gear to test I'm going to have to charge you a 20% tariff. After all, you do live in a different state.

And it will be the most incredible tariff the world has ever seen, bigly.

 

[PristineSound]

FYI, just paid $560 tariff on a Topping device for review!

Absolutely speechless.

 

[Pearljam5000]

We're interested in the biggest ones

 

[Kevinfc]

They are actually making noises in that regard. But with my luck, if it happens, it would be after we pay the tariff on our order.

FYI, just paid $560 tariff on a Topping device for review! Company is reimbursing me for it but these tariffs are real. And massive in nature. Worse yet, the carriers are charging surcharges and handling this in the worst way possible. With this DHL order, I had 2 days to pay it or they threatened to destroy or return the product to originator!

What percentage was the tarriff ?

 

[amirm]

What percentage was the tarriff ?

55% plus a fee added by DHL.

 

[PristineSound]

i am afraid these very linear speakers are too sterile while listening, like missing musicality ?
I'd like to listen my self to have my own opinion though

Please elaborate what you mean by "sterile" and "musicality". These jargons are unqualifiable and unquantifiable and if I was forced to use such terms, they would have different meanings from different people.

 

[Pearljam5000]

Well, complicated
Alternatively, a life less listening
Compared to a speaker that has foot taping character

Colored sound never made me tap my feet

 

[PristineSound]

Well, complicated
Alternatively, a life less listening
Compared to a speaker that has foot taping character

I can tap my feet to good music even if it's played from DJ equipments at a wedding venue, or a Bluetooth speaker when I'm in my garage cleaning up. I can also tap my feet to good music from cheap IEM when I'm working out in the gym.

These terms are subjective terms that have no real meaning.

But decades of research in psychoacoustics shows that you want linear on-axis and off-axis (controlled directivity) speakers so that reflected sounds are similar. You want low, or low enough, distortions. Amongst other factors, these speakers meets the bill.

To your original concern, why you want linear frequency response? There is something called "The circle of confusion" as described by a gentleman who also lurks here, goes by the name Floyd Toole.

 

[PristineSound]

Me too

Reason why i wrote i'd like to listen to some of them because they are linear

But i am just afraid the lack of character due to too lean measurements

I heard once a studio monitor and it was boring

Can you define what you mean by "lack of character" and "lean"?

These terms are also unqualifiable and unquantifiable and very personally subjective.

I would not recommend you use these audiophile magazine reviewers' terms and adjectives to describe sound here, these terms are very much meaningless and flowery terms that only causes confusion at best . . .and mockery by others at worse.

You can read Amir's listening test reviews on the Ascilab speakers here. If I remember, they don't dig deep in the bass region, you will be with subs.

 

[PristineSound]

So according to you, all speakers sound the same?
If not, how do YOU describe différences

Help me there to understand your vocabulary, then we can conversate

Drifting off topic here, but I will address your post quickly. I never said all speakers sound alike, in fact, speakers are probably the only thing that sounds different in HiFi audio.

I wouldn't used the adjectives you used to describe sound, because these flowery adjectives are meaningless, it was invented by Harry Pearson of The Absolute Sound, presumably he invented this style of reviewing to make his content more exciting to read. But the adjectives he uses are unqualifiable and unquantifiable, you can't really tell heads from tails what he is trying to describe.

I will describe sound based on, namely, the perceived tonal balance and the spatial effects. How Amir and Erin describe their perceived sound is how I try to describe it myself.

 

[amirm]

Let's not have an argument in this thread please.

 

[RexrothPigeon]

I understand, and its your opinion
I have another one, no less valuable than yours

I like tuna, m'y neighbor likes salmon

Ser this is the salmon forum

 

[EMCCM]

I have such mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, this is clearly a speaker that measures exceptionally well, particularly for its price point. So much so that I literally sent non-audiophile friends links to purchase it, although it sold out by the time I sent it. And, if I didn’t have other major high priority purchases right now, I would have already bought a pair.

However, unless I’m mistaken, this is the first time Amir has effectively advertised/sold an audio device on this site. If I’m being optimistic, it’s because he’s so passionate about this speaker/pricepoint ratio, he wants to spread it to the masses. But, certainly he could have entered into partnerships with other audio manufacturers before this? So, why now?

His measurements I believe will remain objective of other speakers, but it’s not as if his posts are without commentary. And, commentary, even if describing objective measurements, is by definition, subjective. Is it possible to have this remain unbiased, even subconsciously? If a new speaker exceeds the measurements of this speaker, at the same or better pricepoint, will he recommend it OVER the speaker he stands to profit on? Maybe.

I’m glad this speaker will become more widely available due to this partnership, but I’m still somewhat concerned.

 

[amirm]

However, unless I’m mistaken, this is the first time Amir has effectively advertised/sold an audio device on this site. If I’m being optimistic, it’s because he’s so passionate about this speaker/pricepoint ratio, he wants to spread it to the masses. But, certainly he could have entered into partnerships with other audio manufacturers before this? So, why now?

We went over this extensively in the original announcement thread. Briefly, what is changed is my brother being interested and willing to run such a business. He had asked me what products to sell and I discouraged him until the Ascilab speakers came along. They are so superbly optimized while keeping costs down. The fact that they did not yet have US distribution, added to the attractiveness of starting this business.

His measurements I believe will remain objective of other speakers, but it’s not as if his posts are without commentary. And, commentary, even if describing objective measurements, is by definition, subjective. Is it possible to have this remain unbiased, even subconsciously? If a new speaker exceeds the measurements of this speaker, at the same or better pricepoint, will he recommend it OVER the speaker he stands to profit on? Maybe.

Prior to even starting ASR, I founded Madrona Digital which carries a number of brands I review. You will see a disclaimer in my reviews when this happens. In more than one occasion, I have given thumbs down on some of these products. At the same time, speakers like Revel have gotten positive reviews as they should -- they literally invented the protocols we use for analysis of speakers. Ascilab is doing the same thing by following the science religouslly. So I don't foresee a stinker product from them as to put me in a spot of not recommending them. But if they are there, that is what will happen. Again, as i have done for some of the products that Madrona carries.

Ultimately, 90% of the review is the objective part. And you all get to vote in the poll. My ability to skew review results as such, is extremely limited.

Again, all of this was hashed out in the announcement thread. I prefer that we don't revisit them.

 

[speedygonzalez]

Would it help to have your brother introduce themselves and put it under the dealer's posts?