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[POLL] Fun Theoretical Question

The majority of people would buy:

  • [Speaker A]

    Votes: 40 67.8%
  • [Speaker B]

    Votes: 19 32.2%

  • Total voters
    59
To hear differences there are differences because speaker size shape, crossover points etc. or placebo, or mood or bias. Without blind testing one can not rule these things out. Nobody buys anything without some bias. The straw man is too simplistic. I walk into the audio store and the audio sales guy says here is data from ASR and all of the curves have minor differences. Now behind this curtain are the two speakers, so you listen and one sounds better but you don't know what one. You take it home and one is tall and stands on the floor and the other is stand mounted but has nicer veneer. You listen and you like one better and upon returning to the store you find that the one you liked in the store was not the one that looked best at home and sounded best in the at home. Bottom line, if the only difference is how they sounded the decision is simple. With respect to posters this exercise is frivolous because that is never the situation. Or you say, well the data supports them both so I'm going on other factors like my golden ears.
 
To hear differences there are differences because speaker size shape, crossover points etc. or placebo, or mood or bias. Without blind testing one can not rule these things out. Nobody buys anything without some bias. The straw man is too simplistic. I walk into the audio store and the audio sales guy says here is data from ASR and all of the curves have minor differences. Now behind this curtain are the two speakers, so you listen and one sounds better but you don't know what one. You take it home and one is tall and stands on the floor and the other is stand mounted but has nicer veneer. You listen and you like one better and upon returning to the store you find that the one you liked in the store was not the one that looked best at home and sounded best in the at home. Bottom line, if the only difference is how they sounded the decision is simple. With respect to posters this exercise is frivolous because that is never the situation. Or you say, well the data supports them both so I'm going on other factors like my golden ears.

But the audition is done in the home.
I never mentioned anything about a store...
 
But the audition is done in the home.
I never mentioned anything about a store...
The decision is never that simple. Different speaker size, configuration, look, room acoustics, WAF will always be considerations and if the test same they will sound the same if all else is equal. Then which one sounds different is in your head. As Amir shows again and again small tweeks in DSP will compensate for any small differences. The straw man you proposed is, I bought two of same speakers and one sound better than the other.
 
The decision is never that simple. Different speaker size, configuration, look, room acoustics, WAF will always be considerations and if the test same they will sound the same if all else is equal. Then which one sounds different is in your head. As Amir shows again and again small tweeks in DSP will compensate for any small differences. The straw man you proposed is, I bought two of same speakers and one sound better than the other.

Okay, sorry I made this thread.
 
nit: should the poll question simply be, "what would you do?"...

As for me, I am very happy to embrace an idiosyncratic preference like "Speaker A," since that means I can find it cheaper on eBay.
 
Was having this conversation with a good friend:


THE SCENARIO
Someone is deciding between two different pairs of speakers;
Prices are identical.

The person researches the speakers ahead of time.
Reviews and Klippel data of [Speaker B] are superior to [Speaker A].

They then audition both sets of speakers in their own home.
The room has been acoustically treated, with no significant room modes.

After listening to both, they prefer [Speaker A] to [Speaker B].


THE QUESTION
Which speaker - in your opinion - would the majority of people buy?
It depends on the individual’s trust in and understanding of the measurements. In your scenario, they have researched using measurements, so have some understanding and trust in them.

I would expect such a person to think about the reasons they might be preferring the poorer measuring device, and perhaps carry out a blind test to eliminate bias from their decision - especially since they will also understand that a better measuring speaker will respond better to DSP.

(Your scenario is unrealistic - in that the vast majority of even treated rooms will still have modes - especially in the bass)
 
(Your scenario is unrealistic - in that the vast majority of even treated rooms will still have modes - especially in the bass)
I'm aware of that.

I thought this was clear, but I'm not looking for a scientific answer here; Not looking for an answer at all to be frank!
Would just like ASR members to share their opinion as to what - they believe - the majority of consumers would do.

Pretend you're drunk, in a bar/pub with some friends, and having this discussion :)
In that situation, I very much doubt you'd be niggling over the tiniest details.

Seems almost impossible to have a human discussion.
Almost everything devolves into hyper-analysis.
 
Some people just like to be a Debbie Downer and take the fun out of

Fun Theoretical Question.​

 
Was having this conversation with a good friend:


THE SCENARIO
Someone is deciding between two different pairs of speakers;
Prices are identical.

The person researches the speakers ahead of time.
Reviews and Klippel data of [Speaker B] are superior to [Speaker A].

They then audition both sets of speakers in their own home.
The room has been acoustically treated, with no significant room modes.

After listening to both, they prefer [Speaker A] to [Speaker B].


THE QUESTION
Which speaker - in your opinion - would the majority of people buy?
ASR: 'tis a silly place, sometimes.
 
False dichotomy. In testing at least 10 different speakers in my own room on my own desk, I discovered that good-sounding speakers measure similar and conform to the flat FR sufficiently enough that they can be EQ-ed to sound like each other. While bad speakers measure whatever they want can never sound as good even after EQ.

What made a bigger difference than the speakers' own performance was putting one speaker on top of the other such that the top speaker got less boundary reinforcement. So I stopped doing that when A-B testing. Are the showrooms you go similar in setups or random?
 
I'm aware of that.

I thought this was clear, but I'm not looking for a scientific answer here; Not looking for an answer at all to be frank!
Would just like ASR members to share their opinion as to what - they believe - the majority of consumers would do.

Pretend you're drunk, in a bar/pub with some friends, and having this discussion :)
In that situation, I very much doubt you'd be niggling over the tiniest details.

Seems almost impossible to have a human discussion.
Almost everything devolves into hyper-analysis.
I answered your question in a way that makes sense for me. My comment on modes was necessary to explain the way I answered.

If you don't want people to give honest answers to your question - don't post the question.

If you only want humorous replies - state that. But don't act all surprised and butt hurt when people don't respond in the way you wanted.
 
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I answered your question in a way that makes sense for me. My comment on modes was necessary to explain the way I answered.

If you don't want people to give honest answers to your question - don't post the question.

If you only want humourous replies - state that. But don't act all surprised and butt hurt when people don't respond in the way you wanted.
Agree and how hard was the answer to two speakers measure the same and well, one sounds better which do you pick?
 
For perspective, my $0.02 and belief is that speakers above a score (no sub; add 2 for w/sub) of 3 is acceptable, speakers above 4 to 5 is considered good enough for majority of humans and at this point your room plays a bigger role to the sound than the speakers.

It is at this level then the not-so-straightforward and no-right-or-wrong measurements start coming into play, they make each speaker sound different but there is no criteria to say what should be the correct sound, so you can have a high-scoring speaker sound like *** due to having the completely wrong FR in a particular application (looking at you Debut 6.2, mine still sitting in the box). But it is also clear that the thread didn't start with this level of analysis in mind, since it is forcing a dichotomy between "bad measurements good sound" and "good measurements bad sound" when the choices are "good measurements bad sound" and "good measurements good sound".

And if two speakers measure the same, then I pick the one that sounds better. Nothing hard about that. Would I trade my Debut 6.2 for a Polk S15? Probably. Amir did give the Polk S15 a higher Panther rating than Debut 6.2 despite noting the poor measurements, a reminder that his reviews aren't all measurements-only.
 
If you only want humorous replies - state that. But don't act all surprised and butt hurt when people don't respond in the way you wanted.

But I didn't ask for any replies; It's a poll.
Just vote.
 
So, you're just trolling us?

How?
You honestly interpret my sincere intent as "trolling"?

The answer to that question is either [Speaker A] or [Speaker B].
That is the title of the poll, and the two choices of the poll as well.
I never imagined that such a simple question/scenario would lead to all this.

I can tell I'm not welcome here;
My apologies for the post.
 
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