PMC result6 Monitor Review

[goat76]

At least excluding speakers meant for studio use, an single axis graph might not tell you how insane it is that PMC or B&W are producing what they are

I would like to see if other PMC speakers share the same or similar deviations in the frequency response. If that’s the case it would be wrong to call it bad engineering, it would instead imply it's a market decision, and if a market decision like that is made it must clearly be a market for it.

 

[Rednaxela]

I would like to see if other PMC speakers share the same or similar deviations in the frequency response.

It appears so.

 

[ThatSoundsGood]

I think it's pretty simple in that most studio engineers don't actually use any measurements to dial in their studio. They often have some level of sound treatment then pick monitors to mix on that they like. So, in some situations, I'm sure these monitors can sound good and revealing. But they are not accurate, which is what I would think studio engineers would want so that their mixes translate. The general disposition of studio engineers is to pick some monitors that you like and then "learn" them so that your mixes translate. I'm sure this approach has worked for many of them and it did work for me in the past when I used to mix records, but now that I understand the measurements and effectiveness of accurate, low distortion monitors I could have saved myself a lot of time by mixing on something different.

 

[ThatSoundsGood]

I would like to see if other PMC speakers share the same or similar deviations in the frequency response. If that’s the case it would be wrong to call it bad engineering, it would instead imply it's a market decision, and if a market decision like that is made it must clearly be a market for it.

I know mix engineers who love PMC speakers. They've used them successfully for years. You can "get to know" speakers and learn ow to mix on them. So they've built a reputation and sold a lot of monitors. I'm sure their higher powered stuff can sound big and powerful. They might even be revealing and somewhat useful to mix on. The problem is that they aren't accurate, but that's fine if you can work around it. Studio monitors are not marketed to mix engineers with measurements. It's just not a thing (until now, maybe). Mixers pick speakers that they like for a variety of reasons, which accuracy is only one of.
It certainly might be a marketing thing to voice them like this. This "voicing" might be what was preferred by people when they listened to them. I rarely hear people wanting speakers that sound accurate, instead they want speakers that sound "good". My friend often jokes about his Genelecs that "everything sounds bad on them" because they are so accurate and they reveal all of the mix inadequacies of recordings. So maybe PMC has rejected the flat response and decided to go with what their ears tell them sounds better. I'm not defending it nor would I buy them, but we can't say that they don't sell a decent amount of speakers since they've been around for a while.

 

[goat76]

It appears so.

But isn’t that a comparison to other brand of speakers with similar measurements, not other PMC speakers.

 

[goat76]

I know mix engineers who love PMC speakers. They've used them successfully for years. You can "get to know" speakers and learn ow to mix on them. So they've built a reputation and sold a lot of monitors. I'm sure their higher powered stuff can sound big and powerful. They might even be revealing and somewhat useful to mix on. The problem is that they aren't accurate, but that's fine if you can work around it. Studio monitors are not marketed to mix engineers with measurements. It's just not a thing (until now, maybe). Mixers pick speakers that they like for a variety of reasons, which accuracy is only one of.
It certainly might be a marketing thing to voice them like this. This "voicing" might be what was preferred by people when they listened to them. I rarely hear people wanting speakers that sound accurate, instead they want speakers that sound "good". My friend often jokes about his Genelecs that "everything sounds bad on them" because they are so accurate and they reveal all of the mix inadequacies of recordings. So maybe PMC has rejected the flat response and decided to go with what their ears tell them sounds better. I'm not defending it nor would I buy them, but we can't say that they don't sell a decent amount of speakers since they've been around for a while.

That is what I believe too, that PMC has found their market share by voicing their speakers a bit differently. It’s really not such a big problem as I would think most mixing engineers nowadays use reference material to constantly compare their mixes to as a target, that thing alone make sure their mixes will translate well.

 

[Rednaxela]

But isn’t that a comparison to other brand of speakers with similar measurements, not other PMC speakers.

Fair enough. But the top one compares two PMC speakers.

 

[Purité Audio]

Stereophile have reviewed a number of their domestic range all awful, I mean ‘voiced’ to sell.
Keith

 

[AdamG]

Please stay on topic. This is an official Review thread. Some posts removed as off topic.

Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.

 

[heflys20]

So maybe PMC has rejected the flat response and decided to go with what their ears tell them sounds better.

Well, that would make them incompetent (not to mention, liars) since they describe this product as "accurate" and "neutral."

I'm not defending it nor would I buy them, but we can't say that they don't sell a decent amount of speakers since they've been around for a while.

Popularity, legacy and some (not all) stellar reviews claiming them to be "accurate" play a huge role. As stated, acclimation to the sound also plays a huge role. The fact that many manufacturers still recommend long "burn in" periods is proof of that.

This is a $3000 set of speakers that's only slightly cheaper than the Neumann KH150, but infinitely worse (in nearly all aspects).

 

[dfuller]

Well, that would make them incompetent (not to mention, liars) since they describe this product as "accurate" and "neutral."

I'm not defending this (I don't think this is a good speaker, by and large) - but it is +/- 3dB or thereabouts from 70hz on up. It's "accurate-ish" and "neutral-ish". Certainly not the +/-1dB or better of the best DSP wonderboxes we've seen but compared to some others I have definitely seen worse.

 

[heflys20]

Going from a nearly +2db bass bump, to a -4 db dip, back to +2b db bump, followed by another almost -4db dip seems pretty bad to me, particularly when considering its intended purpose....That coupled with estimated in-room response. I don't know. I've also seen worse.

 

[2020]

If a speaker fails to deliver meaningful performance—let alone live up to its own marketing claims—then the real question is: What are you actually paying for?

PMC, a well-established and wealthy company, seemingly develops speakers by ear without utilizing Klippel or laser-based measurements. If true, this raises serious concerns. In my view, there are only two possibilities:

a) They knowingly produce low-end speakers, dressing them up with marketing gimmicks and buzzwords.

b) They genuinely believe they’re making high-end products but lack the data to back it up—because they never properly measured their designs in the first place.

Either way, it's questionable. And considering these two less-than-ideal scenarios, it’s understandable if PMC owners feel salty, angry, or even in denial (for a while). But if I owned a pair, I’d sell them ASAP—before their market value tanks.

Isn't there a bit of irony to this, given the fact they utilize a transmission line? They're incorporating a very non-standard feature, something that requires more finesse or know-how, but using some kind of measurement system is too much?

 

[Waxx]

Their transmission line is also not that good designed, it does not damp out the resonances that a quarter wave resonator (like a TL is) make. That is key with transmission lines, the internal damping. It will also avoid the peaking low bass as that peak will also be damped. It take skills to build a good TL, and not so many have those, so a lot of wrong designed TL's are arround.

 

[Marin]

Can it be an attempt to spin the circle of confusion even faster many consumer speakers have the "bat" showroom response curve already to sound more "exciting" B&W for example.
When this monitor have the same response this will result in a slight counteraction of this response when used for setting the tonal balance .

Then consumer speakers then have to have an even more extreme "bat" curve to yet again get the showroom sound

I'm sure that because of things like this, I have to adjust the volume on the woofers on every other song.

 

[Marin]

Sve što ne želim od zvučnika: skup, ružan i vrlo neujednačen odziv zvuka, velika distorzija i neujednačena disperzija...

Ne znam o čemu je PMC razmišljao kad su ovo stavili na tržište.

Probably on your wallet

 

[Marin]

It is, same as for other such brands, and I am quite sure for mainly two reasons, to stand out in the listening (many audiophiles love such thinking different is better and more revealing - I have easily recognised their bat curve character in few audio fairs I listened to them in the past) and also it is an easier/cheaper engineering with only partial baffle step compensation and resonant port/TL tuning.

The funniest thing to me is when people say they hear things they've never heard before and think it's a good thing

 

[audioadd]

I have read carefully what is written here.

How many of the voters have actually used this speaker and had a real experience?

Mathematics, physics and engineering show us the most accurate way to find the most accurate results for preparing a piece of equipment. However, mathematics may not be useful in some cases in practical life.

In other words, taking a value as a reference and accepting it as completely correct may not be valid in practice.

The evaluations and measurements you make here are the scientific and measurable values of PMC 6 Result.

I bought a pair of Result 6 for myself.

So far, I have used high-end speakers from well-established companies such as Genelec, Focal, Dynaudio, Barefoot, Neumann.

Result 6 is definitely a great reference monitor for those who do music production.

My advice to you is not to see everything as numbers before you criticize a product. And if possible, those who have not experienced this speaker should not mislead people by voting in the survey.

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Have a musical day for all of you!

 

[anphex]

 

[Rahan]

Yeah buddy. But here we are about numbers!! How could you trust something that doen't give you the truth ? It might sounds pleasing or revealing to you but this can't be named reference. A reference is supposed to translate an electric signal to acoustic waves without adding or removing anything. This is not the case, periode.