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Please talk some sense into me

grezp

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I’m new to Hi-Fi. I’ve mostly dabbled with headsets, and now I’m finally taking the plunge to buy some real speakers and an amp. The setup will go in my living room and be used about 50/50 for music and movies/TV. I listen to a mix of genres—jazz, electronic, classical, rock, and hip-hop. I’ve also got some space constraints, so I've mostly considered bookshelf speakers. They’ll need to be fairly close to a wall—about 10 inches (25.5 cm) away.

I was initially eyeing the LS50 Meta + a sub, but then I watched and read reviews of the R3 Meta. Then I got swayed by the Buchardt S400 MKII, which led me to the E50. But after seeing the E50’s frequency response, now I’m considering the A10. I’m all over the place.

*See title*

I think I’ve narrowed my choices down… for now. (Check back in a few weeks for updates.)

Option 1
  • KEF R3 Meta
  • Some sub—maybe KC62, SVS, or something else
  • Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 (RoomPerfect sounds compelling)
Option 2
  • Buchardt E50
  • No sub
  • Lyngdorf TDAI-2210, NAD with Dirac, or something else with room correction
Option 3
  • Buchardt A10
  • No sub
  • Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 or another affordable non-amp streamer combo with Dirac
Option 4
  • KEF R5 Meta
  • Some sub—maybe KC62, SVS, or something else
  • Lyngdorf TDAI-2210 or NAD with Dirac

The R3 Meta setup seems like the most logical first buy-in. My wife isn’t exactly thrilled by the way they look; I think they’re fine. I “demoed” the R3 and R5 at Best Buy today for about 5–10 minutes. The R5 made the R3 sound small, but I was very impressed by both. I had a wow moment with the R3, then got blown away by the R5’s wide soundstage. They both need a sub, in my opinion.

I’m really drawn to the E50’s aesthetic. My wife likes it too, which is a big plus. Everything—from the internals to the cabinet—just screams premium. But spending ~$4.5 K on passive speakers for my first “Hi-Fi” setup feels like a stretch. Plus, I’d probably have to upgrade from the Lyngdorf 1120 to the 2210 to power them properly, which means more $$$. I'm open to other room correction options too, but RoomPerfect sounds simple. After looking at the frequency response, I felt a little underwhelmed. Not sure why I’m hung up on that—my untrained ears wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. I’m sure they sound great and at that price point, they’d better.

To be honest, I’m not sure how I feel about active speakers. They’re intriguing, but when I think “Hi-Fi,” I picture passive speakers + amp. I know that’s an outdated mindset, but still. My only concern is future upgrades—or if something fails after warranty, I’d be stuck replacing both the amp and the speaker. Maybe that’s nothing to worry about.

The Ascilab A6B also look tempting. See title—again.

If you were in my position and had $5–10k to spend, what would you do? Maybe you can sway me in another direction :)

EDIT: The room is an open floor plan about 18’ x 24’ (5.5 m x 7.3 m), with the living area itself around 18’ x 13’ (5.5 m x 4 m). My listening distance is roughly 14 ft (4.3 m). The ceiling slopes from 15 ft to 9 ft (4.6 m to 2.7 m), with the speakers placed at the higher end and my seat at the lower.
 
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At the price level of the Buchardt it doesn't really look like it measures that well. The March Audio Sointuva AWG and Mesanovic CDM65 look way better in around the same price range, and obviously the A6Bs perform very well too. But ultimately you have to weigh your priorities, WAF vs performance when you go into this.
 
Maybe KEF LS60 would fit your budget? Depending on room, it doesn’t need a sub. If you want room correction, you can pair it with a WiiM streamer.

Also note that the Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 does not have E-ARC, and does no decoding of Dolby or Atmos formats. And a similar amp wasn’t tested very well at ASR. A full AVR may be more future proof, and probably performs better. Denon x3800h seems like a safe bet. Can run Audyssey or Dirac Live (maybe ART at some point), is about half price of the Lyngdorf.
 
If you were in my position and had $5–10k to spend, what would you do? Maybe you can sway me in another direction :)
What I did. See my signature.

But @voodooless has a good point. My system is for music only, movies (and possible eventual upgrade to more speakers) would be better served with an AVR.
 
I cannot say anything on the speakers as I haven't listened to any of them.

But on the amp/source side you might be giving something away by limiting yourself to the TDAI's. Don't get me wrong, they're great amps, but as has been mentioned before the TDAI-1120 doesn't have eARC HDMI. For a seamless integration of your TV this is essential however. So you would have to move up the ladder and get the 2210.

For the price of the 2210 you can also get a Lyngdorf SDA-2400 power amp and hook up a WiiM Ultra, which will give you all the connectivity and features you are looking for. They also have a room correction called RoomFit. Neither Lyngdorf's RoomPerfect nor WiiM's RoomFit did anything for though. Don't get hung up on it. It's hyped all around but in my eyes this room correction thing is much overrated. A simple tweak here and there in the graphic equalizer curve works much better for me.
 
At the price level of the Buchardt it doesn't really look like it measures that well. The March Audio Sointuva AWG and Mesanovic CDM65 look way better in around the same price range, and obviously the A6Bs perform very well too. But ultimately you have to weigh your priorities, WAF vs performance when you go into this.

I forgot about the Sointuva AWG — thanks for reminding me, that’s another solid option.

Maybe KEF LS60 would fit your budget? Depending on room, it doesn’t need a sub. If you want room correction, you can pair it with a WiiM streamer.

Also note that the Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 does not have E-ARC, and does no decoding of Dolby or Atmos formats. And a similar amp wasn’t tested very well at ASR. A full AVR may be more future proof, and probably performs better. Denon x3800h seems like a safe bet. Can run Audyssey or Dirac Live (maybe ART at some point), is about half price of the Lyngdorf.

I did consider the LS60, but I’ve read about a few electronic failures, and those anecdotes spooked me a bit.

My TV doesn’t have eARC, so that’s not a concern for now. I’m only planning a 2.1 setup, so Dolby or Atmos support isn’t really a selling point since most of my content comes from streaming apps on Apple TV.

I wasn’t aware that the Lyngdorf didn’t measure well — I’ll check out that review, thanks for pointing it out.
 
My TV doesn’t have eARC, so that’s not a concern for now.
Maybe consider a TV upgrade as well ;)

Apple TV can do all the decoding on its own, so that might be an okay compromise.
 
Hi,

I am 5 years into this hobby and still learning, unfortunately, getting good sound is not a simple as buying good equipment and placing it in your room. A difficult concept to grasp as a beginner, is that your room dimensions and your listening position within it, is the most important factor to consider.

If you can list your room dimensions and the location of your listening position you will get better advice from people more knowledgeable than me.

Of all the equipment I have bought, the WiiM Ultra has been the best bit of kit I own and I would suggest having either the Ultra, or a WiiM streaming amp in your set up. It will make the experience much more flexible and enjoyable.
 
The new Onkyo P-80 and M-80 and the R3 Meta or R5 Meta, paired with two powered subs. It’s everything you need, and still leaves money in your pocket. The sound will be magical. ;)

I’ve had a lot of KEF series speakers in-house (R, R Meta), and now I’ve got the KEF Reference 5 Meta (with subs). You could say I’m a bit of a KEF addict.
 
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Option 4
  • KEF R3 Meta
  • 2 subwoofers: SVS SB1000Pro
  • NAD M10 V3
I can recommend the NAD M10 V3 amp because i use it every day with KEF speakers and subs for listening to music, the only thing the amp is missing for me is a wired headphone connection. :)
 
The Ascilab A6B also look tempting.
That’d be my choice if I were buying anywhere near the price range. I’ve been following its development since the beginning and would likely already have a pair had I not strayed down the DIY path.
 
What I did. See my signature.

But @voodooless has a good point. My system is for music only, movies (and possible eventual upgrade to more speakers) would be better served with an AVR.
it's truly nice to see someone that is happy with the journey... I had the great fortune of having speakers that Dennis Murphy wanted to modify (emotiva b1's).. I have a cheap Denon AVR and an svs pb1000 pro.. I'm pretty happy myself..I wonder about getting speakers with equal to better sq and more sensitivity, but I could (and might) live long term with this set up and be happy... it is all in the perspective...
I’m new to Hi-Fi. I’ve mostly dabbled with headsets, and now I’m finally taking the plunge to buy some real speakers and an amp. The setup will go in my living room and be used about 50/50 for music and movies/TV. I listen to a mix of genres—jazz, electronic, classical, rock, and hip-hop. I’ve also got some space constraints, so I've mostly considered bookshelf speakers. They’ll need to be fairly close to a wall—about 10 inches (25.5 cm) away.

I was initially eyeing the LS50 Meta + a sub, but then I watched and read reviews of the R3 Meta. Then I got swayed by the Buchardt S400 MKII, which led me to the E50. But after seeing the E50’s frequency response, now I’m considering the A10. I’m all over the place.

*See title*

I think I’ve narrowed my choices down… for now. (Check back in a few weeks for updates.)

Option 1
  • KEF R3 Meta
  • Some sub—maybe KC62, SVS, or something else
  • Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 (RoomPerfect sounds compelling)
Option 2
  • Buchardt E50
  • No sub
  • Lyngdorf TDAI-2210, NAD with Dirac, or something else with room correction
Option 3
  • Buchardt A10
  • No sub
  • Lyngdorf TDAI-1120 or another affordable non-amp streamer combo with Dirac
Option 4
  • KEF R5 Meta
  • Some sub—maybe KC62, SVS, or something else
  • Lyngdorf TDAI-2210 or NAD with Dirac

The R3 Meta setup seems like the most logical first buy-in. My wife isn’t exactly thrilled by the way they look; I think they’re fine. I “demoed” the R3 and R5 at Best Buy today for about 5–10 minutes. The R5 made the R3 sound small, but I was very impressed by both. I had a wow moment with the R3, then got blown away by the R5’s wide soundstage. They both need a sub, in my opinion.

I’m really drawn to the E50’s aesthetic. My wife likes it too, which is a big plus. Everything—from the internals to the cabinet—just screams premium. But spending ~$4.5 K on passive speakers for my first “Hi-Fi” setup feels like a stretch. Plus, I’d probably have to upgrade from the Lyngdorf 1120 to the 2210 to power them properly, which means more $$$. I'm open to other room correction options too, but RoomPerfect sounds simple. After looking at the frequency response, I felt a little underwhelmed. Not sure why I’m hung up on that—my untrained ears wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. I’m sure they sound great and at that price point, they’d better.

To be honest, I’m not sure how I feel about active speakers. They’re intriguing, but when I think “Hi-Fi,” I picture passive speakers + amp. I know that’s an outdated mindset, but still. My only concern is future upgrades—or if something fails after warranty, I’d be stuck replacing both the amp and the speaker. Maybe that’s nothing to worry about.

The Ascilab A6B also look tempting. See title—again.

If you were in my position and had $5–10k to spend, what would you do? Maybe you can sway me in another direction :)
option 1 with an svs ported sub that is enough for your room size.... if you are in the US think about philharmonic bmr's instead of the r3's (better speaker , better finish )....the ascilab speakers are probably pretty great too , narrower dispersion though, so it depends on the room and your ears...
 
I’m new to Hi-Fi. I’ve mostly dabbled with headsets, and now I’m finally taking the plunge to buy some real speakers and an amp. The setup will go in my living room and be used about 50/50 for music and movies/TV. I listen to a mix of genres—jazz, electronic, classical, rock, and hip-hop. I’ve also got some space constraints, so I've mostly considered bookshelf speakers. They’ll need to be fairly close to a wall—about 10 inches (25.5 cm) away.
You didn't mention room size or listener distance, but I would suggest considering a cardioid design with the proximity to the room boundary. I'm going to guess active designs like those from Dutch & Dutch, Kii, and Sigberg are out of your budget, anyway. There's the Mesanovic CDM65 (not sure if Shivaudyo Point Zero is still available) if you have a smaller room/distance and are willing to reconsider your stance on active speakers. For passive speakers, you could also consider Gradient (the 1.4 is a tremendous speaker if you're willing to do a floor-standing design).
 
No, but 200w into 4ohms and RoomFit (for whoever needs it).
Better check it's music streamer and preamp
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