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Please recommend me proven compact subwoofer design

I may add a thing or two ;). In Europe we do not have such discount subwoofer brands as there are in the US. When these subs are sold here the cost 50% more.
The factory to customer thing doesn't work in Europe. Nubert and Teufel are no discount deal but pretty pricy.
A DIYS sub made from components costing 500€ can play in the high end league without a problem if you know what to pick. What you do not get is automated room correction directly from the sub. This is of limited value anyway, as it only sees the sub. A better way is to adjust the sub manually (by DSP) for the room and let a good room correction (Maranz = Audessey) then match it to the other speakers.
If you are not into home theater, a sub tuned to 30-35Hz is fine for music in 99% of all cases. Two 10" are fine for that in 55 square meter. If want to go deeper for HT, 20-25 Hz tuning will need two 12" in your room. With the sub housed in a 40cm cube and external amp, you will end up with a net volume of about 45-50 liter, closed and filled with some damping material. This is on the small side for 12" and quite large for 10".

Plate amps are overpriced for the little they offer. PA amps are less than half the price if you compare objectively. One thing about PA amps and pro DSP, you hardly loose any money when you decide to sell them. Just have a look at eBay. In Europe Thomann will sell you it's "t.amp" line, which has become a standard over the years. They are HIFI quality soundwise and far better suited for sub work because of their reserves no HIFI amp even 2 times the price can match. You don't find plate amps but only PA stuff in any serious home cinema installation for a reason. Maybe have a look at the wheight to get an idea what power supply works inside, if these are build conventional.
If you look for 12" sub chassis, I would choose a Dayton or the Eminece LAB12. Mind that Dayton is much more expensive in Europe! So the recommendations from the US may not fit your bill.
If you don't mind a bit unconventional, there is a very good Alpine 12" of German design for under 100€: https://www.ebay.de/itm/274392231518
The chassis is solid steel and it's performance is great. A "secret tipp" for multi chassis sub installation and maybe the best low cost 12" sub around. Perfect for 40-50 litre. Don't drive it with an 80 Watt plate amp!
With 10" also have a look at the Reckhorn chassis, which have the best value for money IMO. At 90€ each, use 2 per cube and you are a happy camper. Another good sub chassis is the REDCATT SW10.4 PC at 125€. Both are exceptional value usually found in the 200€ class.
Please keep an eye on the nominal impedance if you want to use more than one chassis. A PA amp will drive two chassis in any case, a single mono plate amp will not like less than 4 Ohm.
I prefer a pair of chassis with a linear excursion of about 12mm over a single one with 24mm, independent of price. The larger cone area sounds relaxter than huge excursions of extreme chassis which are more suited for space saving in car audio, even as the moved air volume is identical.
With subwoofer chassis cone area x excursion are what counts. The TSP data tell you which cabinet they need. WinISD is a free and precise tool to calculate closed and vented constructions. It is very usefull for comparing a number of chassis.
You can basically trade volume for amp power. If you lift the response by 3dB you need twice the power. A strong argument for vented constructions.
 
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Can you please recommend me proven subwoofer design thats relatively compact. Ie. cube with sides < 40cm (or 16in in your units). I am in EU and my budget is <500 eur for driver and amp of single unit. I plan to build two.

Not really sure I will be able to beat the commercial options at thie price range, yet I have woodworking tools and some skills and I enjoy the process of building the cabinets myself.

I really do not have much of experience of designing and measuring speakers, so I am looking for a proven design to follow exactly.

thank you
Lots of kits here:
 
Maybe you have not realized that there is nothing complicated about building a sub, that is why no "proven subwoofer design!" turns up.
If someone showed one, the second question will be "can I make it a little smaller, wider or can I use another woofer, as designing a subwoofer for a situation is a very personal thing. You pick size and form you like and then look for drivers that work inside the volume your design has. In your case 40x40x40cm = 64 litre brutto.
I attach a simulation of a 50 litre cabinet with the mentioned 89€ Alpine driver. The upper curve is vented, the lower closed, both driven with 250 Watt. The vented version is about 5 dB louder in the relevant area. The closed version can not reach that level, because of power and excursion limits.
Anyway, don't see these curve as what you get inside your room. Depending on the position it will reach much lower than simulated. In most cases you will put it at a wall, increasing level. Even in a corner is an option, depending on the construction.
Another thing you can see, 250 Watt is not much power for a subwoofer, so the amp I mentioned, at ca. 2x400W is not overkill, but reasonable.
I have build an installation focused on music with two 10" and a 2x 250W amp, corrected by Audessey multeq xt32. Inside a very high 50sqm room. With loud music it is fine as predicted, with home cinema it is easily driven into clipping. Low frequency effects take all the power they can. For a next build he want's two 12" and a larger amp...

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If you dig deeper into this stuff: The most expensive thing about it is the work you do. Small cabinets don't really come cheaper than large ones. Better take a little larger than you think instead of starting over again because you are missing something. 100€ saved can get quite expensive when you are not satisfied and build a second installation.

This can be a blueprint for your sub: https://oaudio.de/mediafiles/Gehaeuse/r1008_redcatt-subwoofer-10-br_Drawing_v1.pdf
 
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I may add a thing or two ;). In Europe we do not have such discount subwoofer brands as there are in the US. When these subs are sold here the cost 50% more.
The factory to customer thing doesn't work in Europe. Nubert and Teufel are no discount deal but pretty pricy.
A DIYS sub made from components costing 500€ can play in the high end league without a problem if you know what to pick. What you do not get is automated room correction directly from the sub. This is of limited value anyway, as it only sees the sub. A better way is to adjust the sub manually (by DSP) for the room and let a good room correction (Maranz = Audessey) then match it to the other speakers.
If you are not into home theater, a sub tuned to 30-35Hz is fine for music in 99% of all cases. Two 10" are fine for that in 55 square meter. If want to go deeper for HT, 20-25 Hz tuning will need two 12" in your room. With the sub housed in a 40cm cube and external amp, you will end up with a net volume of about 45-50 liter, closed and filled with some damping material. This is on the small side for 12" and quite large for 10".

You are right about prices. Almost everything is more expensive in EU compared to the USA. But certain brands and stuff is a lot more expensive : for example SVS subs, Dayton drivers. Even the AVRs are much cheaper over there. SVS subs are great deal in the USA, not so much in EU.

Thank you for you recommendations. I got why they are no reference sub designs, as anyway everything will be corrected and it is much depended to the enviroment.

Can you guys please tell me if in case of Audessey calibration I still need DSPable sub. Is DSP + Audessey better than just Audessey?
 
As I wrote, you should DSP your sub to the best you can do, then lock it and let Audyssey do the integration into your system.
Audyssey does time correction and some equalizing, but can not make the sub flat in the low region.

Why is easy to understand: It doesn't know how much reserve your sub has, amp and frequency wise.
For example a 12" and an 8" sub may measure identical in the room when set to identical 70dB.
What Audyssey does not see, the 8" is a ported cabinet with an 80 Watt rms amp.
The 12" is a closed cabinet with a 350 Watt rms.
You can not DSP the 8" to 25 Hz at 95 Db as it will bottom out and the amp clip.
The closed 12" has a falling response, but you can DSP it as linear as you wish.
This is why you first set the DSP and let Audyssey do the fine tuning. Mainly reducing peaks, match for different position and phase.

Yes. For a good set-up you should measure your room with a microphone and no, you can not use the one from the Marantz.
 
PS maybe get an idea about dB stuff. If you have one sub and use one channel of a stereo amp as a base, you get + 3dB from a second sub and + 3dB from using the second channel of the amp. So double cone area + double input power = + 6dB. For the next 6dB you need another 2 chassis and a second amp...

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If you want to go DIY then I'd recommend against plate amps: a compact enclosure is the worst place to put an amp, plus they need two cables and more spacing from the wall for both connector housings and power dissipation...
Dear Thomas, if this is not too much to ask I am considering building a sub for myself. Do you have a budget external amp/driver combo that you had good results with and can you refer to a suitable box design?
 
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