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Please help on configuration for dlna/upnp

Rubbersandal

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Just got myself a used zen streamer. Directly connected through usb to external dac. Intension is by using dlna with jriver on my pc connected to a 2tb portable hard disk only filled with lossless files and also using android phone act as remote with bubbleupnp installed. The software setup for dlna upnp is a painful process, everything has been configured but when playing file on my phone through bubble upnp. The audio appear on my phone but not on my dac. Already spent 3 full stressful days trying to figure out where my configuration went wrong, no matter what i do the audio will only playout on the phone not on the dac.

Can someone who is kind enough using jriver and bubbleupnp to show me each and every step how you configure on both jriver and bubbleupnp.
 
1. Tools-Options-Audio
- Set your DAC as output
- DSP and Output Format: set to 2.0 and the correct sample rate for your DAC.

2. Tools-Options-Media Network-Advanced
- tick all 3 DLNA options

3. Make sure that JRiver and your Android device are on the same network.

4. Go to BubbleUPNP and click on the "Renderers" tab. JRiver should appear as an output. If it doesn't, close JRiver and restart it.

There may be additional settings in BubbleUPNP. I can't remember, I need to look at my tablet.
 
Hi, thank you for giving me the headstart.
With your advice I managed to set up, got my audio finally through my headphone, but the audio isn't great; in fact is close to muddy and lacks of dynamic. As a matter of fact, at some point, I sense a distortion at some point through my headphone. As far as I know, with Ifi Zen Stream, Aune S9C dac and Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro headphone combination, it shouldn't sound that bad. I get the point, this headphone might not be compatible, but before getting a recommended headphone, I really need you guys to walk through with me on my JRiver and Bubbleupnp setting that I might missed out or marked wrongly contribute to poor audio.
 

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Bear with me for a while, the below attachment are from Bubbleupnp could there be anything that I marked wrongly or missed out that contribute to poor audio.
 

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Simplify things first. Leave BubbleUPNP out of the picture, and play a file via JRiver. Does it sound OK or not?

About the only setting I would change is Audio Device: set it to your DAC via ASIO or WASAPI Exclusive. You will need a device driver from your manufacturer. Don't use "Default Audio Device (Directsound)". If you do this, it sends audio to Windows via WASAPI shared where all sorts of god awful things might happen to it. It resamples audio without telling you, and mixes system sounds with your music.
 
In Jremote2 for instance you can direct casting to phone or other receiver after you properly setup DLNA streaming in JRiver. It nedds to authorise it (pairing code). JRiver is a bit slow at starting up server so give it a minut before trying to connect to it rest work fine up to 192 KHz 24 bit (which is limit any way PCM/DSD and for DSD DAC need to support it). When configuring DLNA server in JRiver make sure you set it not to transcend known formats in lossy one. I use my laptop like JRiver server for a long time and desktop as reciver, or my Yamaha R-N amplifier and phone as a middle controller and reciver when I need to do it on the headphones. The WiFi coverage around the hause is good enough to 50m distance for redwood CD PCM when I do gardening.
Even DSP studio for streaming works (you do it in separate settings for streaming with physical chenel limit of course).
 
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Simplify things first. Leave BubbleUPNP out of the picture, and play a file via JRiver. Does it sound OK or not?

About the only setting I would change is Audio Device: set it to your DAC via ASIO or WASAPI Exclusive. You will need a device driver from your manufacturer. Don't use "Default Audio Device (Directsound)". If you do this, it sends audio to Windows via WASAPI shared where all sorts of god awful things might happen to it. It resamples audio without telling you, and mixes system sounds with your music.
Pc is not connected to aune dac, I dont intend to test out this manner pc directly connecting to dac if this is what you mean. This connection to pc in direct defintely wouldnt sound better than with a streamer.
 
Actually, the PC would sound the same as the streamer. As long as the bits are the same, it will be the same, period.

I think I understand what you are trying to do now. You want your streamer to retrieve files stored on your PC, using JRiver as a UPNP server. And you want to use BubbleUPNP on your phone as a control point. And you want to use your iFi Zen streamer as a renderer.

The settings on JRiver and BubbleUPNP look correct to me. About the only screen I haven't seen is the tab on the far right in BubbleUPNP where you select the renderer, and the tab on the second right where the library server is selected.

I am sorry, I do not have an explanation for why you are getting muddy sound. Like I said, the way to diagnose it is to simplify the setup and then start adding components, testing each step of the way. The first step should be JRiver to DAC. Then JRiver to streamer to DAC. And then finally add BubbleUPNP.
 
In Jremote2 for instance you can direct casting to phone or other receiver after you properly setup DLNA streaming in JRiver. It nedds to authorise it (pairing code). JRiver is a bit slow at starting up server so give it a minut before trying to connect to it rest work fine up to 192 KHz 24 bit (which is limit any way PCM/DSD and for DSD DAC need to support it). When configuring DLNA server in JRiver make sure you set it not to transcend known formats in lossy one. I use my laptop like JRiver server for a long time and desktop as reciver, or my Yamaha R-N amplifier and phone as a middle controller and reciver when I need to do it on the headphones. The WiFi coverage around the hause is good enough to 50m distance for redwood CD PCM when I do gardening.
Even DSP studio for streaming works (you do it in
Actually, the PC would sound the same as the streamer. As long as the bits are the same, it will be the same, period.

I think I understand what you are trying to do now. You want your streamer to retrieve files stored on your PC, using JRiver as a UPNP server. And you want to use BubbleUPNP on your phone as a control point. And you want to use your iFi Zen streamer as a renderer.

The settings on JRiver and BubbleUPNP look correct to me. About the only screen I haven't seen is the tab on the far right in BubbleUPNP where you select the renderer, and the tab on the second right where the library server is selected.

I am sorry, I do not have an explanation for why you are getting muddy sound. Like I said, the way to diagnose it is to simplify the setup and then start adding components, testing each step of the way. The first step should be JRiver to DAC. Then JRiver to streamer to DAC. And then finally add BubbleUPNP.
Actually, the PC would sound the same as the streamer. As long as the bits are the same, it will be the same, period.

I think I understand what you are trying to do now. You want your streamer to retrieve files stored on your PC, using JRiver as a UPNP server. And you want to use BubbleUPNP on your phone as a control point. And you want to use your iFi Zen streamer as a renderer.

The settings on JRiver and BubbleUPNP look correct to me. About the only screen I haven't seen is the tab on the far right in BubbleUPNP where you select the renderer, and the tab on the second right where the library server is selected.

I am sorry, I do not have an explanation for why you are getting muddy sound. Like I said, the way to diagnose it is to simplify the setup and then start adding components, testing each step of the way. The first step should be JRiver to DAC. Then JRiver to streamer to DAC. And then finally add BubbleUPNP.
As i thought whoever is familiar with bubbleupnp should know under device is where you choose your renderer and media player as i thought that page should be understood as there is no other setting you can do on that page. Anyway if yiu are interested i attached the screebshot for you reference. If the setup seem fine could it be lack of burn-in to dac streamer and headphone that leads to muddy sound. Also headphone is attached to 6.35mm on the dac which is not balanced headphone input could that also explain poor audio? Dac and headphone are new and streamer i got is secondhand.
 
As i thought whoever is familiar with bubbleupnp should know under device is where you choose your renderer and media player as i thought that page should be understood as there is no other setting you can do on that page. Anyway if yiu are interested i attached the screebshot for you reference. If the setup seem fine could it be lack of burn-in to dac streamer and headphone that leads to muddy sound. Also headphone is attached to 6.35mm on the dac which is not balanced headphone input could that also explain poor audio? Dac and headphone are new and streamer i got is secondhand.
 

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I use BubbleUPNP and JRiver every day. But I don't look at the settings very often. In fact I think I only looked at them a couple of times to set the thing up. It works well, so I have never had to look at them again.

Lack of burn-in is not going to be an explanation, but I hardly need to point that out on ASR. Follow those diagnostic steps and see what you get. Assuming there is nothing wrong with your equipment, it will be a setting somewhere.
 
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