Playback of High Rez files

[JIW]

Of course. I get that is how it works. I've seen it demonstrated, and have demonstrated it myself. I can understand that there is only one wave form within the band limit that can fit.

But to the layman - how you go from 1 point above the line and one point below the line - to a perfect sinewave - is a bit tricky to follow. It is, as I stated, counterintuitive.

Why should anything else be expected? What else is intuitive based on the data and the bandlimit?

 

[antcollinet]

Why should anything else be expected? What else is intuitive based on the data and the bandlimit?

It isn't. Where in my post did I express that I thought it should be intuitive. My point is that when we discuss with people with weaker understanding than us we need to be aware of why they find it difficult to grasp.

With greatest respect to @voodooless, and no criticism intended (I've done it myself) pointing them to sampling theorem proofs isn't normally going to do much to increase their understanding.

 

[JIW]

It isn't. Where in my post did I express that I thought it should be intuitive. My point is that when we discuss with people with weaker understanding than us we need to be aware of why they find it difficult to grasp.

With greatest respect to @voodooless, and no criticism intended (I've done it myself) pointing them to sampling theorem proofs isn't normally going to do much to increase their understanding.

Something being hard to grasp does not make it counterintuitive. It being counterintuitive means having incorrect intuition rather than just no clue.

 

[antcollinet]

Something being hard to grasp does not make it counterintuitive. It being counterintuitive means having incorrect intuition rather than just no clue.

Fine, though I don't agree, I've no interest in another debate about semantics this week. It doesn't matter for the point I'm making which word we use.

 

[JIW]

Fine, though I don't agree, I've no interest in another debate about semantics this week. It doesn't matter for the point I'm making what we call it.

Sure. Your point is fair enough apart from that choice of word but now I understand what you are trying to say. I still don't agree that it is hard to grasp just below fs/2 signals being accurately reconstructed but maybe I don't know enough about how laypeople struggle with it.

 

[voodooless]

With greatest respect to @voodooless, and no criticism intended (I've done it myself) pointing them to sampling theorem proofs isn't normally going to do much to increase their understanding.

You’re absolutely correct of course. But that kind of a post as a new member usually spells very little goods for the future. My troll alert went off big time. I hope to be proven wrong

 

[sonitus mirus]

Of course. I get that is how it works. I've seen it demonstrated, and have demonstrated it myself. I can understand that there is only one wave form within the band limit that can fit. I can analogise it to drawing a perfect circle with only two points.

But to the layman : Everyone who has been told how digital audio works at the very basic level has (at best**) been told that that you interpolate to join up the dots. How you do that with just 1 point above the line and one point below the line, and get to a perfect sinewave is, as I stated, counterintuitive.


** At worst, they've simply been told "straight lines" or even worse "stair steps"

Your circle analogy got me thinking about this a bit more. (great analogy!)

When you know the size of the circle, two points can fix its position and shape. The same principle applies to a wave once you know its maximum frequency (the band limit). Even though the wave has infinitely many points along its continuous curve, only two samples per cycle at the highest frequency are needed to define it. Whether you have two or 256 samples, both are tiny compared to the infinite points in the actual curve.

 

[linuxfan]

I finally found the settings that JSmith was pointing me to

That's great, well done. But it took 10 forum posts to get to that point. It makes me wonder how arduous is this? Are there hundreds, thousands more TIDAL users out there who might join this forum (and other forums) to ask the same question?

 

[babadono]

If you are still on the trial version of Tidal, also try Qobuz for free. I had both and liked the music selection better on Qobuz, all CD quality or higher and no MQA. Tidal does have a connect feature but Qobuz says they are about to launch one too.

Thank you...giving Qobuz a spin also.
My desire to get higher res copies is to take them into my DAW and remix them. The SW in my DAW is getting pretty capable of separating tracks using AI.

 

[kemmler3D]

Thank you...giving Qobuz a spin also.
My desire to get higher res copies is to take them into my DAW and remix them. The SW in my DAW is getting pretty capable of separating tracks using AI.

You're probably already aware but soundcloud, bandcamp, and beatport are also proper sources for that kind of thing.

 

[Nutul]

It isn't. Where in my post did I express that I thought it should be intuitive. My point is that when we discuss with people with weaker understanding than us we need to be aware of why they find it difficult to grasp.

Somehow, sometimes, you need to be technically educated to understand something specific. You may agree on this, right?

 

[Timcognito]

My desire to get higher res copies is to take them into my DAW and remix them. The SW in my DAW is getting pretty capable of separating tracks using AI.

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[dualazmak]

Hello OP @babadono,

Just for your reference, within my Windows 11 Pro PC, I use VB-Audio MATRIX as system-wide digital audio routing center (complete replacement for ASIO4ALL), and DSP software EKIO as system-wide DSP center. You would please find here the latest system setup on my project thread including the setup of the two.

I assume my post here would be also of your reference;
- Summary of rationales for "on-the-fly (real-time)" conversion of all music tracks (including 1 bit DSD tracks) into 88.2 kHz or 96 kHz PCM format for DSP (XO/EQ) processing: #532

 

[babadono]

I got my 27" monitor up off work surface and mounted on wall. Now I have room to comfortably use laptop hooked up to DAC. Using Qobuz last night still not getting anything over 44.1K or so the SMSL SU-10 DAC says. Qobuz says Up to Hi Res 24 bit 192kHz. I am using USB from laptop to DAC. This is getting very frustrating. Qobuz came up with a list of at least a dozen audio interfaces most of which I do not have. When I switched to another interface that looked reasonable to try the SW and laptop crashed(either or both I don't know). Took a couple closing and re opening of Qobuz and reboot of laptop to get back to square one. Will I have more success if I go HDMI out to some audio extractor and then SPDIF or Coax to DAC?

 

[Timcognito]

Maybe a setting in the DAC or laptop I get all formats on my Topping E30 from Qobuz.

 

[babadono]

My understanding of SU-10 DAC is it is auto sensing of sample freq. If I am wrong on this someone please correct me. Most likely it is the laptop. I am not against getting a better laptop if necessary.

 

[sonitus mirus]

My understanding of SU-10 DAC is it is auto sensing of sample freq. If I am wrong on this someone please correct me. Most likely it is the laptop. I am not against getting a better laptop if necessary.

Assuming you are using Windows:

• Qobuz needs exclusive mode to bypass Windows' default resampling.
• Open Qobuz desktop app, go to Settings > Audio
• Select your SMSL SU-10 DAC under "Output Device"
• Enable Exclusive Mode and Use WASAPI (if on Windows)
• Restart the Qobuz app after applying the changes.

 

[babadono]

@sonitus mirus Thank you. Thank you. I will attempt tonight. Like I said I am ignorant on this subject but not stupid. This is in the "music playing" tab of settings? Or am I in the totally wrong section?

 

[sonitus mirus]

@sonitus mirus Thank you. Thank you. I will attempt tonight. Like I said I am ignorant on this subject but not stupid. This is in the "music playing" tab of settings? Or am I in the totally wrong section?

I have not used Qobuz lately, but this is probably still relevant since it is on their help site:

How do I experience Hi-Res on PC? | Qobuz Help Center

help.qobuz.com

 

[babadono]

I see these settings on my desktop here at work. Hopefully I will see the same on laptop tonight at home. Both Win 10 64 bit machines currently.