Placement of a SVS PB-2000 PRO (?) in a big open living room

[Jahvis]

Hi,

I have a wide open livinig room with about 80m2. And thinking to place a SVS PB-2000 Pro in the right corner. (Blue marked). There is just not much space to the couch (maybe about 1-2 m.) May this be a problem or would the left side (red circle) probably the better place, because there is more free space?

And i know even a PB-2000 pro is probably quite undersized for this big living room, but i will maybe buy a second one someday.
What do you think?

Would 2 PB-1000 PRO each side makes more sense or 1 PB-3000 PRO? Or can I even use a SB (Sealed)?

Any suggestions are very welcome
Thanks!

 

[dedobot]

Speaking aesthetically , blue corner and you can slide the couch half meter backward removing decorations.

 

[Jahvis]

Speaking aesthetically , blue corner and you can slide the couch half meter backward removing decorations.

Aye, thanks! Any suggestion for buying a SUB? 2x BP 1000 PRO vs 1x BP3000 PRO? Do you think I can even use a SB?

 

[dedobot]

Aye, thanks! Any suggestion for buying a SUB? 2x BP 1000 PRO vs 1x BP3000 PRO? Do you think I can even use a SB?

Have no idea, but be careful with subs adding if you have neighbors in the building.
I had 12' sub - it sat mostly unused cause I'm at last floor in 4 storey condo .
By the way your living room looks like mine - 70m2, unusual shape,sloping ceilings and open spaces to other parts of the home. Very unfriendly to speakers placement.

 

[ZolaIII]

Remove or fold that leg rest in front of couch, put the PB-2000 right in front of it at 1m and you get rid of room modes and gain 3~4 dB SPL to a corner boosted one. You can get a pillow on it and use it as the leg rest instead. Not joking tho not very aesthetically pleasing.
In general you can put another sub closer or behind and get SPL boost that way. You don't have space to do both front close to towers and making 2.2 is complicated. You might if you used bookshelf's mounted on sub's directly (as I do).

 

[Jahvis]

Shall I use the

SVS SoundPath Isolation System?​

 

[ZolaIII]

Shall I use the

SVS SoundPath Isolation System?​

If you want to lower the transmission of vibration (better say chenel it where you can't hear it and won't feel it as much) to the floor you should. There are people who love such but no such neighbour's I ever met.

 

[Thomas Savage]

Remove or fold that leg rest in front of couch, put the PB-2000 right in front of it at 1m and you get rid of room modes and gain 3~4 dB SPL to a corner boosted one. You can get a pillow on it and use it as the leg rest instead. Not joking tho not very aesthetically pleasing.
In general you can put another sub closer or behind and get SPL boost that way. You don't have space to do both front close to towers and making 2.2 is complicated. You might if you used bookshelf's mounted on sub's directly (as I do).

Id try this, if it's great why couldn't one just put the sub inside the footstool thing , out of sight out of mind. With room correction the placement though important can be more flexible .

There used to be a member here ( alas he was banned eventually, by me sorry ) who as I remember it used to make subs that looked like part of your home furnishings.

 

[ZolaIII]

Id try this, if it's great why couldn't one just put the sub inside the footstool thing , out of sight out of mind. With room correction the placement though important can be more flexible .

There used to be a member here ( alas he was banned eventually, by me sorry ) who as I remember it used to make subs that looked like part of your home furnishings.

From DIY perspective you can design cabinets like that but regular commode or TV stands are far too flimsy. Lot's of people do it in DIY waters including ones you didn't. For example @DanielT. That whose my two birds with one shot suggestion.

 

[DanielT]

From DIY perspective you can design cabinets like that but regular commode or TV stands are far too flimsy. Lot's of people do it in DIY waters including ones you didn't. For example @DanielT. That whose my two birds with one shot suggestion.

If you have the interest and the opportunity to make your own subwoofers, the design of them can be anything. Physically speaking, they can be designed exactly as you want and desire. Then only creativity and the wallet set the limits.

You said room modes in #5 and I thought of what master Floyd Toole wrote in a post about a week ago. The conditions in terms of space are not the same as TS, but I still copy what he wrote because it shows, generally speaking, how you can work with the factors and conditions that exist in order to get good bass.

Here is what Folyd Toole wrote, page 20, #381 in the thread Totem Acoustics Rainmaker Speaker Review:

I have recently relocated from sunny Southern California to my old home of Ottawa Canada, leaving behind my superb home theater in a stand-alone house, and moving into a luxury condominium that better fits the life style and needs of an 86 year old. The room is smaller, 13 x 18 x 8 ft, the largest I could carve out of the allocated 2400 sq ft we now have. Being in a condo, sound transmission to our neighbors is a concern, so cinema sound levels are not possible (even 10 inches of concrete convey low frequencies) so I wanted subs with minimal mechanical vibration (opposing woofers) and small enough to be able to be located where they minimally energize room resonances. From prior experience and the Todd Welti modeling of passive multi-subwoofer solutions in rectangular rooms (which this is) it was clear that one of the best arrangements is to place subs 25% of the way from the walls - front, rear, and sides. In a small room this also places the subs close to the listeners - in the near-field - which is a second advantage to keeping room sound levels down. I had previously used Sonos subs in a second background music system and was impressed by how good they looked and how easy they were to place, but when looking around I discovered that one of my old Canadian manufacturing colleagues, Paradigm, had their Millenia subwoofer that seemed as though I might be well matched to my new purposes. The system is yet to be equalized, but with just two of these subs, located in very unobtrusive locations, the bass was surprisingly good - impressive in fact. A photo is attached, showing the sub tucked in on each side of a sofa. Room modes are very subdued, especially the side-to-side (lateral) modes, as theory would predict. The first order length mode is still in evidence, notably when one moves from the front seats to the rear seats, so I may well purchase two more to be located at the front of the room - I'll see what measurements and EQ can do first. My processor this time is not an elaborate Trinnov based unit, but an Anthem AVM-90, again from my old NRCC day colleagues. It has what is reported to be an effective EQ scheme.

So, depending on your room, lifestyle, and living circumstances, a little lateral thinking may provide more alternatives to the knee-jerk locations against walls, using rectangular box subs. A single monster sub is not a good solution for anyone. Multiple subs can be smaller - there are gains in efficiency.

Totem Acoustics Rainmaker Speaker Review

Also add the interior design challenge of having multiple subwoofers in a combined living room, listening room. Subwoofer cubes are not particularly beautiful. Which can be exemplified by the thread linked below. Currently; 227 pages with 4537 posts...

audiosciencereview.com

MilleniaSub

Reference Bass Dual woofer back-to-back bipolar design!Your MilleniaSub is part of Paradigm's ‘Reference' collection … cool style and superb quality that includes ‘cost no object' technology at below what you'd pay for any other genuine high-end subwoofer with this much cool stuff. We guarantee...

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[A Surfer]

@OP, Beautiful space.

 

[Jahvis]

Just configured my PB-2000 PRO. Unfortunately I lost somehow my Audyseey Mic of the Denon. So i did the configurtation manually.

- Crossover for my two speakers (CANTON CHRONO SL 590.2 DC) set to 90 hz
- LFE Crossover set to 120 hz (too high?)
- Subwoofer Level Sub -2 db
- Level for my 2 speakers +2 db
Volume on the SVS app -15

Just tested some sound and movies. So far the bass is ok, but could be a bit more punch. Would it makes sense to put the volume in the app to minus 10 and the Sub Level in the AVR from -2 to +1 or something else?

And i did connect the Sub with an Y-Subwoofer cable to may Denon AVR X2000. Is this OK?