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Philips CD610 Review (CD Player)

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Hello Everyone,

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Philips CD610 CD Player.

Philips CD610_001.jpg


This one will go into my list of affordable CD Players, as I've been requested to review how the entry line of the 90s performed. It is on a kind loan by aa ASR member ;)


Philips CD610 - Presentation

Released in 1990, it was roughly 200€, not really cheap but not too much as well, for a CD player of the era.

It runs a TDA1543 DAC, the economy option of Philips in 1990, with a published THD+N of -70dB to -75db at best :eek: The filter is the old (at the time) SAA7220P/A, four times oversampling only. The drive is the common CDM4/19.

There's a welcome headphones output, but I could not test it because I'm missing the remote control.

The back of the unit is simplistic, not even digital out:

Philips CD610_002.jpg


User experience

The drive is fast to skip tracks, and to FFW/REW. The display is large and track playing can be seen from a good distance. It is gapless playback and applies de-emphasis correctly (this is a proper CD player).

Else, it feels cheap.


Philips CD610 - Measurements (Analog out)

All measurements performed with an E1DA Cosmos ADCiso (grade 0), and the Cosmos Scaler (100kohms from unbalanced input) for analog outputs.

I am now consistent with my specific measurements for CD Players, as I described them in the post “More than we hear”, and as I reported them for the SMSL PL-200 review. I used the commercial version of my Audio Technical CD for all measurements. Over time, this will help comparing the devices I reviewed.

The CD610 outputs 1.833Vrms left (-14.56dBFS), 1.852Vrms right (-14.47dBFS), that is 0.09dB difference between the two channels, which is reasonably low. RCA respects absolute polarity, and the phase is dead flat, indicating a symmetrical impulse response.

The measured performances were 2bits worse from left channel than from the right one. So, I'll report only the right, assuming left channel issue is unique to this one I'm reviewing.

----

Let's start with my standard 999.91Hz sine @0dBFS (without dither) from the Test CD:

1781283831869.png


Yeah, not pretty, but better than the specs of the Philips DAC. Left channel was 2bits worse, though, but in line with the specs of the DAC (-73dB THD+N) :facepalm:

Let's check if things improve at lower level (-6dBFS):

1781284067718.png


Noise lowered with a lower output but the distortion did not :eek:

----

Let's have a look et the Power Supply leakages, the below is a 20Hz to 1kHz zoom with a punishing 512k FFT length to reveal issues:

1781284281620.png


Not really quiet, highest one is at 50Hz (-100dB) and so will still be easily hidden into music.

----

Next is the bandwidth:

1781284731345.png


-0.1db to -0.2dB is reasonably good. Note the ringing, which is an indication of low performing filter.

A wider view at the oversampling filter behaviour will tell us more:

1781284970988.png


Yeah, lots of ringing out of audio band, as expected. Attenuation of the filter is -50dB to -60dB, so that's low perforrnance, even in 1990, and same as I measured with other CD Players using the SAA7220 filter.

----

Next is the multitone test that a lot of you like very much, but you won't be happy with the results:

1781286555393.png


This is only 14bits of distortion-free range, while best CD players have no issue to do more than 17bits on this exercise.

----

Let's check the jitter:

1781286869706.png


The red trace is the original WAV file and the the blue one from the RCA output of the Philips. Besides the elevated noise floor, it is not too bad. Few spikes here and there that you won't hear.

----

Started with the Teac VRDS-20 review, and on your request + support to get it done (more here), I'm adding now an "intersample-overs" test which intends to identify the behavior of the digital filtering and DAC when it come to process near clipping signals. Because of the oversampling, there might be interpolated data that go above 0dBFS and would saturate (clip) the DAC and therefore the output. And this effect shows through distorsion (THD+N measurement up to 96kHz):
Intersample-overs tests
Bandwidth of the THD+N measurements is 20Hz - 96kHz
5512.5 Hz sine,
Peak = +0.69dBFS
7350 Hz sine,
Peak = +1.25dBFS
11025 Hz sine,
Peak = +3.0dBFS
Teac VRDS-20-30.7dB-26.6dB-17.6dB
Yamaha CD-1-84.6dB-84.9dB-78.1dB
Denon DCD-900NE-34.2dB-27.1dB-19.1dB
Denon DCD-SA1-33.6dB-27.6dB-18.3dB
Onkyo C-733-88.3dB-40.4dB-21.2dB
Denon DCD-3560-30.2dB-24.7dB-17.4dB
Myryad Z210-70.6dB (noise dominated)-71.1dB (noise dominated)-29.4dB (H3 dominated)
Sony CDP-X333ES-30.5dB-24.8dB-16.3dB
BARCO-EMT 982-32.7dB-24.5dB-16.3dB
TASCAM CD-200-73.5dB-36.3dB-19.7dB
Sony CDP-597-30.4dB-24.7dB-16.5dB
SMSL PL100-53.1dB-31dB-19.1dB
OPPO BDP-95-39dB-28.8dB-19.2dB
OPPO BDP-95 (vol -2dB)-95dB-97.5dB-32.7dB
SMSL PL200-94.8dB-97dB-39.5dB
SMSL PL200 (vol -1dB)-94.8dB-97dB-58.7dB
Orpheus Zero-88.7dB-87.3dB-56.8dB
Azur 640C V2-89.8dB-91dB-64.5dB
NAD C540-34.1dB-26.3dB-20.4dB
Consonance CD120B-84.3dB-39.6dB-20.9dB
Fosi Merak-38.8dB-28.5dB-18.5dB
Philips CD610-62.5dB-44.8dB-25dB

The interpolator of the SAA7220 has almost 1dB headroom for intersample overs. Not enough, since so many CD Masters are recorded too hot.

----

Let's continue with the good old 3DC measurement that Stereophile was often using as a proof of low noise DAC. It is from an undithered 997Hz sine at -90.31dBFS. With 16bits, the signal should appear (on a scope) as the 3DC levels of the smallest symmetrical sign magnitude digital signal:

Philips CD610_3DC.jpg


The fragile signal is lost into noise. It is probably the worst result I got on this test. No chance to resolve very low level signals.

----

Other measurements (not shown):
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Analog" (18kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -80.7dB
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Digital" (17'987Hz & 19'997Hz 1:1) : -81.7dB
  • IMD AES-17 MD (41Hz & 7993Hz 4:1): -82.3dB
  • IMD DIN (250Hz & 8kHz 4:1) : -72.2dB
  • IMD CCIF (19kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -81.1dB
  • IMD SMPTE (60Hz & 17kHz 1:4) : -76.8dB
  • Dynamic Range : 92.2dB (without dither @-60dBFS, unweighted)
  • Crosstalk: -90dB @100Hz, -104dB @1kHz, -93dB @10kHz
  • Pitch Error (GPSDO corrected) : 19'997.82Hz (19'997Hz requested) ie +35ppm
  • Gapless playback : Yes
  • De-emphasis : Yes
The IMD scores are on the low side, but not a big concern on auditability perspective.
The Dynamic lacks one full bit in noise.
Crosstalk is good.
Pitch error is a reasonable +35ppm, can't be heard.

----

Last and not least, I like to run a THD vs Frequency sweep at -12dBFS as it shows how the conversion has evolved over time. I am currently using the beta version of REW and I discovered that this sweep gives better and more reliable results than before. I overlayed the result of the Philips (green trace) with the recently reviewed PROCEED PCD3 (purple trace):

1781287811165.png


Ouch, that hurts. Lots of distortion from the Philips DAC, and remember this is the best channel...

----

As I did with the Sony CDP-597, I add a "max DAC resolution" measurement test. It is performed from a 999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither (from Audacity). I restrict the THD+N span to 20Hz - 6kHz in REW not to account for the noise of the shape dither beyond 6kHz. I take the calculated ENOB and simply add 2bits to it (due to the -12dB attenuation, as 1bits=6dB). The potential maximum, when calculated from the digital WAV file, is 18.7bits under this test. A "transparent" DAC should achieve 18.7bits, ie 100% in this test.

Here are the results compared to others:

CD Player model or DACCalculated ENOB (999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither, THD+N span = 20Hz - 6kHz)Percentage of max resolution achieved (higher is better)
SMSL PL-20018.7bits100%
OPPO BDP-9518.7bits100%
SMSL PS-200 (from CD player)18.6bits99.47%
Denon DCD-900NE18.5bits98.93%
Orpheus Zero18.4bits98.40%
Azur 640C V218.3bits97.86%
Consonance CD 120B18.2bits97.33%
Onkyo C-73318bits96.26%
SMSL PL15018bits96.26%
SMSL PL10017.9bits95.72%
Fosi Merak17.7bits94.65%
Sony CDP-59717.5bits93.58%
Onkyo DX-735517.3bits92.51%
Denon DCD-356017.2bits91.98%
Yamaha CD-S30316.8bits89.84%
Revox B-226S16.8bits89.94%
Accuphase DP-7016.6bits88.77%
NAD C54016.6bits88.77%
Sony CDP-337ESD16.6bits88.77%
Teac VRDS-25x16.5bits88.24%
Yamaha CDX-39615.9bits85.03%
Marantz CD-7314.9bits79.68%
Philips CD61012.9bits68.98%

Oh no, worst ever. And this is because of the distortion only, the noise is high, but that's not the limitation in this test. This is very bad. We are 2 bits below the first ever CD Player...


Philips CD610 - Testing the drive

What would be good measurements if the drive would not properly read a slightly scratched CD, or one that was created at the limits of the norm? The below tests reply to these questions.

Here are the results:
Test typeTechnical testResults
Variation of linear cutting velocityFrom 1.20m/s to 1.40m/sPass
Variation of track pitchFrom 1.5µm to 1.7µmPass
Combined variations of track pitch and velocityFrom 1.20m/s & 1.5µm to 1.40m/s & 1.7µmPass
HF detection (asymmetry pitch/flat ratio)Variation from 2% to 18%Pass
Dropouts resistanceFrom 0.05mm (0.038ms) to 4mm (3.080ms)3mm
Combined dropouts and smallest pitchFrom 1.5µm & 1mm to 1.5µm & 2.4mmPass
Successive dropoutsFrom 2x0.1mm to 2x3mmPass

Wow! We get the quality of Philips drives, nearly best in class. It seems all Philips available brain went here, not into conversion. Too bad this one does not have a digital output!


Conclusion

As opposed to Sony CD Players, I keep on being on being disappointed by Philips ones. This one adds to the list.

The drive quality is staggering, but unfortunately, without a digital output, you can't put it in good use.

That's a miss.

Enjoy your WE!

Flo
 
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With the exception of the CD drive and laser assembly, there really isn't much to like about Philips CD players. Did any of there models compete well with against the Japanese's models?
 
This was my first CD-Player ever, as it was the first under DM* 500 to purchase, together with the then new CD from Police as my first CD for 30 DM*.
As it sounded, in my ears, pretty harsh and incorrect, just used it to copy to cassette for listening in the car, as this was more comfortable than with vinyl.
Retrospectively, they should and could have done better, but manifested with things like these the myth of bad, cold, emotionless 'Digital Sound'.

*DM Deutsche Mark, approximately 1/2 €
 
With the exception of the CD drive and laser assembly, there really isn't much to like about Philips CD players. Did any of there models compete well with against the Japanese's models?
I believe the 900 series in the 90s weren't bad..

1781291580116.png


I still like how 951 looks like, it was the flagship
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Flo, you are on a roll! Thank you for testing this trusted player of my mother :p. The story for this one is that she needed a system without spending too much. I got her some Bolero bookshelf speakers, Musical Fidelity Amp and this player (directly from Philips thru a friend who worked there and got an employee rebate). My dealer friend was very upset insisting that the cheap Philips player were not performant. Well, I guess this time he was right and his Golden Ears magic :)! I feel so bad for choosing a crap player for my mom! At least it was reliable and lasted her for 35 years... we did not move it to the old age home! Thank you again for the review!
PS: Some audio circles praise this player, its robust drive and apparently it is quite popular and can fetch EUR100.-
 
Hello Everyone,

This is a review and detailed measurements of the Philips CD610 CD Player.

View attachment 538602

This one will go into my list of affordable CD Players, as I've been requested to review how the entry line of the 90s performed. It is on a kind loan by aa ASR member ;)


Philips CD610 - Presentation

Released in 1990, it was roughly 200€, not really cheap but not too much as well, for a CD player of the era.

It runs a TDA1543 DAC, the economy option of Philips in 1990, with a published THD+N of -70dB to -75db at best :eek: The filter is the old (at the time) SAA7220P/A, four times oversampling only. The drive is the common CDM4/19.

There's a welcome headphones output, but I could not test it because I'm missing the remote control.

The back of the unit is simplistic, not even digital out:

View attachment 538603

User experience

The drive is fast to skip tracks, and to FFW/REW. The display is large and track playing can be seen from a good distance. It is gapless playback and applies de-emphasis correctly (this is a proper CD player).

Else, it feels cheap.


Philips CD610 - Measurements (Analog out)

All measurements performed with an E1DA Cosmos ADCiso (grade 0), and the Cosmos Scaler (100kohms from unbalanced input) for analog outputs.

I am now consistent with my specific measurements for CD Players, as I described them in the post “More than we hear”, and as I reported them for the SMSL PL-200 review. I used the commercial version of my Audio Technical CD for all measurements. Over time, this will help comparing the devices I reviewed.

The CD610 outputs 1.833Vrms left (-14.56dBFS), 1.852Vrms right (-14.47dBFS), that is 0.09dB difference between the two channels, which is reasonably low. RCA respects absolute polarity, and the phase is dead flat, indicating a symmetrical impulse response.

The measured performances were 2bits worse from left channel than from the right one. So, I'll report only the right, assuming left channel issue is unique to this one I'm reviewing.

----

Let's start with my standard 999.91Hz sine @0dBFS (without dither) from the Test CD:

View attachment 538582

Yeah, not pretty, but better than the specs of the Philips DAC. Left channel was 2bits worse, though, but in line with the specs of the DAC (-73dB THD+N) :facepalm:

Let's check if things improve at lower level (-6dBFS):

View attachment 538583

Noise lowered with a lower output but the distortion did not :eek:

----

Let's have a look et the Power Supply leakages, the below is a 20Hz to 1kHz zoom with a punishing 512k FFT length to reveal issues:

View attachment 538584

Not really quiet, highest one is at 50Hz (-100dB) and so will still be easily hidden into music.

----

Next is the bandwidth:

View attachment 538585

-0.1db to -0.2dB is reasonably good. Note the ringing, which is an indication of low performing filter.

A wider view at the oversampling filter behaviour will tell us more:

View attachment 538589

Yeah, lots of ringing out of audio band, as expected. Attenuation of the filter is -50dB to -60dB, so that's low perforrnance, even in 1990, and same as I measured with other CD Players using the SAA7220 filter.

----

Next is the multitone test that a lot of you like very much, but you won't be happy with the results:

View attachment 538592

This is only 14bits of distortion-free range, while best CD players have no issue to do more than 17bits on this exercise.

----

Let's check the jitter:

View attachment 538594

The red trace is the original WAV file and the the blue one from the RCA output of the Philips. Besides the elevated noise floor, it is not too bad. Few spikes here and there that you won't hear.

----

Started with the Teac VRDS-20 review, and on your request + support to get it done (more here), I'm adding now an "intersample-overs" test which intends to identify the behavior of the digital filtering and DAC when it come to process near clipping signals. Because of the oversampling, there might be interpolated data that go above 0dBFS and would saturate (clip) the DAC and therefore the output. And this effect shows through distorsion (THD+N measurement up to 96kHz):
Intersample-overs tests
Bandwidth of the THD+N measurements is 20Hz - 96kHz
5512.5 Hz sine,
Peak = +0.69dBFS
7350 Hz sine,
Peak = +1.25dBFS
11025 Hz sine,
Peak = +3.0dBFS
Teac VRDS-20-30.7dB-26.6dB-17.6dB
Yamaha CD-1-84.6dB-84.9dB-78.1dB
Denon DCD-900NE-34.2dB-27.1dB-19.1dB
Denon DCD-SA1-33.6dB-27.6dB-18.3dB
Onkyo C-733-88.3dB-40.4dB-21.2dB
Denon DCD-3560-30.2dB-24.7dB-17.4dB
Myryad Z210-70.6dB (noise dominated)-71.1dB (noise dominated)-29.4dB (H3 dominated)
Sony CDP-X333ES-30.5dB-24.8dB-16.3dB
BARCO-EMT 982-32.7dB-24.5dB-16.3dB
TASCAM CD-200-73.5dB-36.3dB-19.7dB
Sony CDP-597-30.4dB-24.7dB-16.5dB
SMSL PL100-53.1dB-31dB-19.1dB
OPPO BDP-95-39dB-28.8dB-19.2dB
OPPO BDP-95 (vol -2dB)-95dB-97.5dB-32.7dB
SMSL PL200-94.8dB-97dB-39.5dB
SMSL PL200 (vol -1dB)-94.8dB-97dB-58.7dB
Orpheus Zero-88.7dB-87.3dB-56.8dB
Azur 640C V2-89.8dB-91dB-64.5dB
NAD C540-34.1dB-26.3dB-20.4dB
Consonance CD120B-84.3dB-39.6dB-20.9dB
Fosi Merak-38.8dB-28.5dB-18.5dB
Philips CD610-62.5dB-44.8dB-25dB

The interpolator of the SAA7220 has almost 1dB headroom for intersample overs. Not enough, since so many CD Masters are recorded too hot.

----

Let's continue with the good old 3DC measurement that Stereophile was often using as a proof of low noise DAC. It is from an undithered 997Hz sine at -90.31dBFS. With 16bits, the signal should appear (on a scope) as the 3DC levels of the smallest symmetrical sign magnitude digital signal:

View attachment 538595

The fragile signal is lost into noise. It is probably the worst result I got on this test. No chance to resolve very low level signals.

----

Other measurements (not shown):
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Analog" (18kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -80.7dB
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Digital" (17'987Hz & 19'997Hz 1:1) : -81.7dB
  • IMD AES-17 MD (41Hz & 7993Hz 4:1): -82.3dB
  • IMD DIN (250Hz & 8kHz 4:1) : -72.2dB
  • IMD CCIF (19kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -81.1dB
  • IMD SMPTE (60Hz & 17kHz 1:4) : -76.8dB
  • Dynamic Range : 92.2dB (without dither @-60dBFS, unweighted)
  • Crosstalk: -90dB @100Hz, -104dB @1kHz, -93dB @10kHz
  • Pitch Error (GPSDO corrected) : 19'997.82Hz (19'997Hz requested) ie +35ppm
  • Gapless playback : Yes
  • De-emphasis : Yes
The IMD scores are on the low side, but not a big concern on auditability perspective.
The Dynamic lacks one full bit in noise.
Crosstalk is good.
Pitch error is a reasonable +35ppm, can't be heard.

----

Last and not least, I like to run a THD vs Frequency sweep at -12dBFS as it shows how the conversion has evolved over time. I am currently using the beta version of REW and I discovered that this sweep gives better and more reliable results than before. I overlayed the result of the Philips with the recently reviewed PROCEED PCD3:

View attachment 538597

Ouch, that hurts. Lots of distortion from the Philips DAC, and remember this is the best channel...

----

As I did with the Sony CDP-597, I add a "max DAC resolution" measurement test. It is performed from a 999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither (from Audacity). I restrict the THD+N span to 20Hz - 6kHz in REW not to account for the noise of the shape dither beyond 6kHz. I take the calculated ENOB and simply add 2bits to it (due to the -12dB attenuation, as 1bits=6dB). The potential maximum, when calculated from the digital WAV file, is 18.7bits under this test. A "transparent" DAC should achieve 18.7bits, ie 100% in this test.

Here are the results compared to others:

CD Player model or DACCalculated ENOB (999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither, THD+N span = 20Hz - 6kHz)Percentage of max resolution achieved (higher is better)
SMSL PL-20018.7bits100%
OPPO BDP-9518.7bits100%
SMSL PS-200 (from CD player)18.6bits99.47%
Denon DCD-900NE18.5bits98.93%
Orpheus Zero18.4bits98.40%
Azur 640C V218.3bits97.86%
Consonance CD 120B18.2bits97.33%
Onkyo C-73318bits96.26%
SMSL PL15018bits96.26%
SMSL PL10017.9bits95.72%
Fosi Merak17.7bits94.65%
Sony CDP-59717.5bits93.58%
Onkyo DX-735517.3bits92.51%
Denon DCD-356017.2bits91.98%
Yamaha CD-S30316.8bits89.84%
Revox B-226S16.8bits89.94%
Accuphase DP-7016.6bits88.77%
NAD C54016.6bits88.77%
Sony CDP-337ESD16.6bits88.77%
Teac VRDS-25x16.5bits88.24%
Yamaha CDX-39615.9bits85.03%
Marantz CD-7314.9bits79.68%
Philips CD61012.9bits68.98%

Oh no, worst ever. And this is because of the distortion only, the noise is high, but that's not the limitation in this test. This is very bad. We are 2 bits below the first ever CD Player...


Philips CD610 - Testing the drive

What would be good measurements if the drive would not properly read a slightly scratched CD, or one that was created at the limits of the norm? The below tests reply to these questions.

Here are the results:
Test typeTechnical testResults
Variation of linear cutting velocityFrom 1.20m/s to 1.40m/sPass
Variation of track pitchFrom 1.5µm to 1.7µmPass
Combined variations of track pitch and velocityFrom 1.20m/s & 1.5µm to 1.40m/s & 1.7µmPass
HF detection (asymmetry pitch/flat ratio)Variation from 2% to 18%Pass
Dropouts resistanceFrom 0.05mm (0.038ms) to 4mm (3.080ms)3mm
Combined dropouts and smallest pitchFrom 1.5µm & 1mm to 1.5µm & 2.4mmPass
Successive dropoutsFrom 2x0.1mm to 2x3mmPass

Wow! We get the quality of Philips drives, nearly best in class. It seems all Philips available brain went here, not into conversion. Too bad this one does not have a digital output!


Conclusion

As opposed to Sony CD Players, I keep on being on being disappointed by Philips ones. This one adds to the list.

The drive quality is staggering, but unfortunately, without a digital output, you can't put it in good use.

That's a miss.

Enjoy your WE!

Flo

Too cheap... The carelessly slanted sticker would have been a warning sign for me, back in the day.

OTOH, anecdotically, I went with an expensive Sony (50 ES) and had problems with it "eating" laser pickups.
Gave up after the third one and sold it as broken.
 
Yeah, this Philips has a ton of low level noise and distortion, making it less resolved than a well implemented CD player with the TDA1540. So, it might not be the fault of the DAC alone but its implementation in this CD Player.
I can perform the test again, and have a look in frequency domain, it should be scary.
 
Great review and it is interesting to see how early budget CD players could struggle. I always hated Philips products. The couple of times I bought a Philips CD player in the 90s they barely lasted past the warranty period.
 
Phillips had back in the ninenties a slogan; "LETS MAKE THINGS BETTER'. I always thought when i heard it on the radio, Well make a start and stop yelling about it.
They had good ideas but the final result was and is not always that good.
 
TDA1540 showed better results (even with the ADC settings at 48kHz)

View attachment 539121
I ran the test again and it is as bad as I reported. Linearity is off by 6db lower (left channel -96dB) and 10dB lower (right channel -100dB), modulated by PS noise and buried into the rest of (not so) low level noise.
 
Now, I'm setting myself up to be piled on by the ASR crowd for mentioning that thing called 'sound quality,' but I sold these sodding things and I'm convinced the top model in the range I recall - the CD630 -, 'sounded' a lot cleaner than the base model! Even the poor showing of this one, by this time, showed a clean-ish set of heels to a basic vinyl player of the time such as the Dual 505-2 or whichever version it was, the Dual 165/Ortofon OM10? pickup rather thin and scrappy as a combination in comparison.

If you can find a cheap but working Philips CD630 to do a comparison, It'd be fascinating to see if the performance - and sonics - was better in the top 630 model :)
 
It'd be nice to have the Philips CD473 tested, even though something tells me we'd be getting similar results!?
 
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