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[Golfx]

I understand what you are saying. I just don’t condone the potential conflict of interest but also understand that this is common practice in the world we live in with YouTube. And was common practice even before with reviewers who can buy the reviewed item at a substantial discount.

Btw, I look forward to talking to Lars every year at Axpona. What a great guy he is and that sub from last year with the stack of 8” woofers was very impressive. It’s right up there with my gothams.

So you choose to ignore and not recognize the point of peer reviewable measurements.

 

[GS430man]

Perlisten speakers are relatively expensive. Most reviewers and journalists have extremely limited funds. "Loaner" and "free" products are, in practice, the only way for reputable manufacturers to get high end gear into reviewer's hands.

Perlisten is to be commended for offering the speakers to a reputable site for critical analysis.

Audioholics is to be commended for publishing the detailed measurement data, allowing 3rd parties to replicate the results.

 

[Lsc]

So you choose to ignore and not recognize the point of peer reviewable measurements.

Peer reviewable measurements…I don’t know what this means. I thought it was directed at the other guy. Is this an industry term at your work?

 

[Golfx]

Peer reviewable measurements…I don’t know what this means. I thought it was directed at the other guy. Is this an industry term at your work?

If you google peer review it provides an explanation like this.

Peer review - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Lsc]

If you google peer review it provides an explanation like this.

Peer review - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I know what peer review is. I don’t know what peer reviewable measurements mean so I just googled it.

"Peer-reviewable measurements" refer to the
criteria and metrics used to assess the quality, validity, and impact of both research manuscripts and the peer review reports themselves.

I have no idea what this means how this fits into the conversation that audioholics who got free perlisten speakers may be biased on their opinion. Reviews also go beyond measurements. Please stop deflecting. You may think I’m ignoring…instead I’m just staying on point.

All right. This is my last response. Moderator please delete all these posts that are irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Buckchester]

Audioholics measurements of the Perlisten speakers they have reviewed look very good. Those speakers are probably very good. But their measurements are not as high resolution as what you get here or on Erin’s audio corner. If we had some more measurements I do wonder if they would reveal some flaws that we don’t see with Audioholics.

Furthermore, I do not believe Audioholics is as objective in their reviews as some in here would suggest. This is a conversation probably not quite right for this thread, but it is simply to say that this is another reason why I’d like to see some other 3rd party measurements to better determine the quality of these speakers.

 

[Nondemo01]

I know what peer review is. I don’t know what peer reviewable measurements mean so I just googled it.

"Peer-reviewable measurements" refer to the
criteria and metrics used to assess the quality, validity, and impact of both research manuscripts and the peer review reports themselves.

I have no idea what this means how this fits into the conversation that audioholics who got free perlisten speakers may be biased on their opinion. Reviews also go beyond measurements. Please stop deflecting. You may think I’m ignoring…instead I’m just staying on point.

All right. This is my last response. Moderator please delete all these posts that are irrelevant to this thread.

Two things can be true at once:

1. Reviewers, including Audioholics, can have bias based on how they received a product for review. That possibility is a fair reason to be skeptical of their subjective impressions and conclusions.
2. Measurements, like those used by Audioholics and others, are the objective side of the review because they can be independently examined, compared, and peer reviewed.

You can absolutely be skeptical of both and assume there may be bias. However, without evidence, I would caution against making claims solely because the reviewer received the product for free or at a discount.

 

[Buckchester]

I noticed Erin did measure the bookshelf version of this speaker and it looks great. Based on this, I would assume the tower version exhibits similarly with more output and extension with lower distortion. Carry on!

Perlisten S4b Bookshelf Speaker Review

Perlisten S4b Review

www.erinsaudiocorner.com

 

[PristineSound]

So I haven't listened to my s7t in a while because I don't have a listening chair. Anyway, still don't have a listening chair because I am very particular with my seating situation, but I have my Perlisten a quick listen tonight, and damn it sounds amazing. I came back upstairs to listen to my Ascend ELX RAAL, as top end and end game as these Ascend sounds, the Perlisten are just pure magical bliss.

I think these Perlisten ruin it for me by elevating excellence to the possibly the last level in the game.

I just need to listen to the Limited Edition and the Black Edition to get a taste of heaven.

 

[hwest]

I would like to see some more accurate 3rd party measurements of the Perlistens. Audioholics also seems to have somewhat of a comfy relationship with some brands, some more than others (Perlistens, RBH). While they do seem very good, I withhold making a strong judgement on this brand until I see some objective reviews from some other sources.

Do you know of any others that you could link here?

I definitely trust the numbers from Amir because I feel he produces just the facts about the numbers and when he see's a problem he calls it out for what it is, but when you stand in front of different systems and combinations all things considered some just sound better than they should in the top 8 to 10 ranges he defines. I know there are a ton of factors and outside influences so I feel like folks should demo the speakers they want and try to tune in the basic frequencies they love and take it from there. Another good brand that people swear by is the Revel Performa series. If you look at the components in a Perlistien I just don't think anyone is putting as high of a quality components that Perslisten uses and that's a foundation that I prefer to start with outside of any of the other speakers even close to that price range. If I had it my way I would be running Perlistens, a Lyndorf receiver and Mcintosh Amps. However, I can't complain since I'm running the Anthem AVM-90, Emotiva Differential Amps and B&W 804's. It sounds quite good, speakers could be a little stronger and take more bass in my opinion. I have tuned until I was blue in the face but most people that walk into my house say it's the best sounding system they have ever heard.

 

[PristineSound]

Went from my living room listening to my Ascend ELX RAAL, pushed by my Benchmark AHB2, treated room to my basement man-cave listening to my Perlisten s7t with dual SVS SB-3000 and miniDSP SHD pushed by my Apollon Hypex, also treated, just right now.

I don't get a chance to listen to this system too much because . . .well. . .live is busy. But when I do, I am reminded what magic is.

I know if I say this, I will be accused as one of those subjectivist spewing audiofool jargon, but there is something uncanny about certain details and instruments from these Perlisten that I cannot explain from the measurements. I want to say maybe because of the beryllium tweeters, but I know I will be accused of falling prey to exotic marketing. Maybe it's this Perlisten so-called DPC? I don't know, I can't explain it.

I wish everyone gets the opportunity to hear these speakers. . .in a proper room that is.

 

[A Surfer]

I don't think we should ever forget that even if the math and the science tells us something else, we shouldn't ignore the magic. I think even the most diehard objectivist can probably remember a magical experience that didn't make sense, and yet it happened.

A world without some magic and mystery is a cold world.

 

[PristineSound]

I don't think we should ever forget that even if the math and the science tells us something else, we shouldn't ignore the magic. I think even the most diehard objectivist can probably remember a magical experience that didn't make sense, and yet it happened.

A world without some magic and mystery is a cold world.

Word. . .even if the science and the math can't explain this so called magic, so long as I can continue to experience this. . .I am happy to be ignorant of any worldly explanation. . . .let the ignorance be bliss.

 

[hwest]

Perlisten S7t Tower Loudspeaker Review - Are these Endgame?

Perlisten's S7t flagship THX Certified Dominus tower speakers have made leaps in technology that have some folks going so far as to question their reality and our reviewer calling them endgame products.

www.audioholics.com

Bowers & Wilkins Diamond Series 804 D4 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

Sidebar 3: Measurements I used DRA Labs' MLSSA system, a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone, and an Earthworks microphone preamplifier to measure the Bowers & Wilkins 804 D4's frequency response in the farfield. My primary axis for the measurements was level with the tweeter, but I also performed a...

www.stereophile.com

Above reviews measure what is good about Perlisten and bad about B&W.

Thanks for that, I'm seeing why B&W's want an AMP that will support 2Ohms but my Emotiva Differential DDR3 seems to be doing an amazing job, tons of power. It make me wonder what a true 2Ohm certified AMP would sound like with my 804's. I have a dedicated AMP just for the front 3 channels and the center channel and surrounds go on a completely separate AMP.