Thanks! So we are talking living room ‘hifi flavor’, not monitor type of speakers. Correct?
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Because something along those lines is typically what the resulting in-room slope of an anechoically flat speaker looks like.
It doesn't necessarily slope all the way, but the difference between say 50hz and 10khz will typically be around there, between 3-9dB-ish.
If you refer to the whole audible band (20-20,000Hz) and use a speaker which this or that way shows increasing directivity towards higher frequencies, I would agree. A flat in-room response would inevitably come with kinked, i.e. thin direct sound tonality.
I was more meaning the frequency bands which are most sensitive to our ears and which constitute the main differences here. Like from 800 to 5,000Hz, I find both a flat direct sound field and a flat indirect sound field to be always preferable, and yes, translating to "fun" as well.
Agreed. But I'm not sure the estimated in-room of the Spinorama is super accurate.
Our designs typically show a pretty flat in-room esponse from around 500-1000hz and up to 10,000hz, while the estimate on Spinorama shows a slope.
It cannot be accurate because how direct sound, early reflections (ceiling, back wall, floor, side walls) and diffuse field are defining the response at the listening position, is vastly dependent on the room, speakers positioning and listening distance. This spinorama calculation is just an example of parameters which are seemingly not very realistic.
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Can you show some examples where it significantly deviates above Schroeder frequency from the measured response at the listening position? Most cases I have seen being posted in this forum (plus my own ones) rather match quite well in that region.
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A little reminder for friends of good coaxial loudspeakers: Every now and then you should also listen to some music and not just theorize.
This little eight-inch coax from B&C is active equalized and plays with one 18 inch subwoofer from 80 Hz.
I have named it Libum: Little but mighty
All the best and have a great day with good music (preferably through coaxial speakers)
This little eight-inch coax from B&C is active equalized and plays with one 18 inch subwoofer from 80 Hz.
I have named it Libum: Little but mighty
All the best and have a great day with good music (preferably through coaxial speakers)
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I don't suppose you know of a company which sells this lovely little speaker, Audionaut?
Audionaut
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Unfortunately not, it's a completely proprietary development.
This is a wonderful little coax with great dispersion but it'd be a DIY affair (they do make a passive crossover for it). I also cross mine over kinda high (500Hz) to use it as a mid/high in a 4-way. Not too expensive, though.
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Peterinvan
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The Uni-Q drivers, in my LS50W present a wide sound stage and great imaging. KEF also sells the passive version.
In my small den, with Rockwool panels, I find the sweet spot is just inside the apex of a 6 foot triangle. The imaging beats any headphones I have owned or tried.
I believe KEF's implementation of coaxial drivers is still faring well against the competition. They also issue "improvements" like the meta absorber with each new generation.
In my small den, with Rockwool panels, I find the sweet spot is just inside the apex of a 6 foot triangle. The imaging beats any headphones I have owned or tried.
I believe KEF's implementation of coaxial drivers is still faring well against the competition. They also issue "improvements" like the meta absorber with each new generation.
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I like your colorful tweeters.
Audionaut
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Yes, me too.
They create such a compellingly airy high-frequency range that you sometimes think it would have wings.
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Indeed. Plus, reckon their cage plus toys will help with some frequency diffraction prior to the right side wall too.
Should help with room reflections to MLP somewhat.
I am a big fan of the pro-audio 12" dual concentric Tannoys with the "tulip" tweeter/waveguide, designed by Andrew D. Hughes, who also worked for Kef and TAD. Made in the early 2000s. Have several pairs of the V12s and a pair of the earlier T12s.
Admittedly not SOTA these days. But capable of clean high SPL, and a lot more affordable than those by Genelec, KEF, Fyne etc
I actually like them as much as my way more expensive SOTA, non coaxial Neumann KH310s.
Should help with room reflections to MLP somewhat.
I am a big fan of the pro-audio 12" dual concentric Tannoys with the "tulip" tweeter/waveguide, designed by Andrew D. Hughes, who also worked for Kef and TAD. Made in the early 2000s. Have several pairs of the V12s and a pair of the earlier T12s.
Admittedly not SOTA these days. But capable of clean high SPL, and a lot more affordable than those by Genelec, KEF, Fyne etc
I actually like them as much as my way more expensive SOTA, non coaxial Neumann KH310s.
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