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Passive Bookshelf Speakers ~$3k (Desk)

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If you're looking in that $2500 range, my list is as follows:

Buchardt S400 MKII
Arendal 1723 Monitor
Selah Purezza (RIP)
PSB Synchrony B600
LXsirius

Up to $3k:
JBL 705P
Paradigm Founder 40B

Your OP says you listen "at a meter or two". Is it one meter or two? That makes a big difference with waveguided speakers. In fact, most of these I would not consider at 1 meter, some not even at 2. If you're really that close I would consider KEF LS50 Meta.

I am really curious about the Paradigm Founder 40B. Have you seen any measurements yet?
Ordered the Buchardt S400 MKII. Coming sometime 2022 ?? I am in a near field situation. Will see how that works out.
Did have Technics SB-C700 here for a couple months. Really enjoyed it.
 

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I have been tempted at times to "upgrade" to larger speakers.

But after watching many action movies and blasting music while dialing in my subs, I'm at the point where I don't see the point anymore, at least in this spare bedroom. This is an amazingly dynamic system.

I run 2 subs with my S400 MKII's and I don't need any more SPL. 95 dB of treble is plenty for me, but to each their own. Do you know how loud that is? The subs are capable of over 120 dB due to room gain
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Interestingly, 95 dB of treble sounds just as loud as 120 dB of low bass, to my ears.

I do think the S400 MKII's will be a little more neutral than the other speakers on your list, if you value that.

The 4722's are a COMPLETELY different ballgame. Are you really cross-shopping these?
 

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I am really curious about the Paradigm Founder 40B. Have you seen any measurements yet?
Ordered the Buchardt S400 MKII. Coming sometime 2022 ?? I am in a near field situation. Will see how that works out.
I am as well. Haven't seen measurements for the 40B, but have for the 100F tower: https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/i...&catid=77:loudspeaker-measurements&Itemid=153

I would probably want to EQ the high end down a bit of planning to use them at higher volume levels.

Honestly, as much as I like the S400 MKII's which power my home theater and music system, I don't think they are the best near-field. I wouldn't use them at less than 6 feet if I wanted the best sound.
 

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• Selah Audio Purezza / Tempesta MK2 [Selah Audio is closing sadly so these are probably not an option]

If you are looking at the Seleh, the the March Audio Suintuva seems like a logical candidate.
I believe that they are going on a Klippel pretty soon.
 
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I have been tempted at times to "upgrade" to larger speakers.

But after watching many action movies and blasting music while dialing in my subs, I'm at the point where I don't see the point anymore, at least in this spare bedroom. This is an amazingly dynamic system.

I do think the S400 MKII's will be a little more neutral than the other speakers on your list, if you value that.

The 4722's are a COMPLETELY different ballgame. Are you really cross-shopping these?
Well yeah the 4722N is not the best idea for my medium size room maybe, I just think they look cool lol.

Two reasons I want large bookshelf speakers:
1. I went big on my amp so I may as well go big on my speakers in case they ever move to a larger room.
2. My Studio 530's won't get loud enough for the entire room and they have a 5.25" woofer. Granted, I don't have a sub yet to take some bass effort away from the 530's.

But if adding a sub or two to Revel M126Be, March Audio Sointuva or S400 MK II would allow enough volume without the speakers struggling to keep up in SPL, I'll consider those too.

Note that I'm not talking about a desk setup any more, and I'm in a 13 ft * 15 ft * 11 ft room.
 

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I would say that since your goal is to have multiple subs, it matters much less to have big speakers, but it doesn't hurt to have more on tap as long as the design isn't compromised. Larger woofers require bigger tweeters since the crossover needs to be lower. A larger woofer operating too high will beam and cause a narrowing of directivity, which then widens again where the tweeter begins. The Arendals probably strike a good balance, and I am looking forward to seeing them on the NFS.

If you can implement some serious DSP, the 4722 would be in another league with directivity control to much lower frequencies than the smaller speakers. If you can get them into the room.
 

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I would say that since your goal is to have multiple subs, it matters much less to have big speakers, …

^Fair point^



But if adding a sub or two to Revel M126Be, March Audio Sointuva or S400 MK II would allow enough volume without the speakers struggling to keep up in SPL, I'll consider those too.

Note that I'm not talking about a desk setup any more, and I'm in a 13 ft * 15 ft * 11 ft room.

I listened to the MAs in a room about that size with maybe 9’ ceilings.
I do not know your SPL tastes, but we were cruising in the 80-85 dB(A) range with peaks in the 102-104 dB(A) range.
And it was being driven by 120 w/ch Class-D Purifi amp.

I would not say that they were struggling at all, and I busted out the SPL meter as they had that quiet sound which is indicative of low distortion... where they sound quiet, until one is also trying to have a conversation… and yelling to do it.

I would await on the concept of needing a sub if it is for music. It was surprising how much bass it had with the 2 passive radiators on the back.

Lastly; since I am somewhat biased, I am awaiting the objective measurements just to confirm what I heard.
 
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Of all the affordable speakers I have heard recently, the Revel stand out. I still prefer to roll my own. I was hoping the new batch of EMT based systems had made progress as the likes of ML, Elac, and Golden Ear but to my ears, way to shrill. Resonance and breakup modes.

There are so many speakers, all of them are terrible, it is hard to recommend one or another to some one else. You have to go listen. Always go listen to a Vanderstein 2Ce as a benchmark for a "do nothing wrong" speaker. Has JBL quit making their jump off the shelf boosted mids they were famous for? B&W's got way too bright. he LS50's sound nice but only if you don't move your head 6 inches. Once upon a time, you could trust Boston, Polk, Definitive, Paradigm, Mirage, Warfdale, etc for respectable mid-cost speakers. Don't know now.

At prices below about 5K, you probably get value for the price, above that, it gets dubious if you are paying for performance or ego. I know a lot of speakers I would rather have than a Wilson and have the price of a Jaguar left over. Down at 3K, it is tough competition. Probably won't get floor standing full range, but good monitors on stands.
 

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Of all the affordable speakers I have heard recently, the Revel stand out. I still prefer to roll my own. I was hoping the new batch of EMT based systems had made progress as the likes of ML, Elac, and Golden Ear but to my ears, way to shrill. Resonance and breakup modes.

There are so many speakers, all of them are terrible, it is hard to recommend one or another to some one else. You have to go listen. Always go listen to a Vanderstein 2Ce as a benchmark for a "do nothing wrong" speaker. Has JBL quit making their jump off the shelf boosted mids they were famous for? B&W's got way too bright. he LS50's sound nice but only if you don't move your head 6 inches. Once upon a time, you could trust Boston, Polk, Definitive, Paradigm, Mirage, Warfdale, etc for respectable mid-cost speakers. Don't know now.

At prices below about 5K, you probably get value for the price, above that, it gets dubious if you are paying for performance or ego. I know a lot of speakers I would rather have than a Wilson and have the price of a Jaguar left over. Down at 3K, it is tough competition. Probably won't get floor standing full range, but good monitors on stands.

Generally I agree… ( I am still rockin the Vandersteen 2Cs from the 80s.)

I liked those Sointuvas though, and decided it is best to just fund Erin as he is testing them and bunch of other speakers that allow me weed out speakers into naughty and nice columns.
 
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