PAS 2002PCA PA amplifier vs MC2 S800

[Pjetrof]

Question for the technical experienced people.
Are those amplifiers good amplifiers concernicng components and measurements?
Which one is the best?

 

[maty]

Short answer: forget about the MC2 S800 if you do not need so watts at home?

 

[maty]

 

[Pjetrof]

Short answer: forget about the MC2 S800 if you do not need so watts at home?

@maty thx for the reply and what about the pas 2002pca.

 

[maty]

Well, it has almost everything except the appearance and some legs (designed to be rack mounted). Easy to repair or modify / improve. BIG transformer and isolated from the rest.

It works OK with AVR like Denon X4700 and others preamps: 1.07 V
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/denon-avr-x4700-avr-review-updated.14493/

When available again (about three weeks), purchase the necessary cabling from Thomann. If it does not convince it is returned.

• https://www.thomann.de/es/pas_2002pca.htm
• https://www.thomann.de/ie/pas_2002pca.htm

It is assumed that in the German store it will be cheaper since the VAT reduction from 19% to 16% until the end of the year is already effective (advantages of having a large budget surplus) but... now better at Spanish store.

• https://www.thomann.de/de/pas_2002pca.htm

OLD version

 

[Pjetrof]

@maty
Can i put it in a cupboard?
don t need avr just for 2 channel listening
would this be audible better than class d behringer.
or van alstine amplifier

 

[Pjetrof]

Compared to the benchmark how would this pas amplifier do?

 

[maty]

In a rack, with air circulate is always a good idea.

AVR was only an idea. Preamp or DAC with preamp. Better with balanced.

Better than cheap class D, yes. Cheap class D -> subwoofer, bad idea to full range at home.

Benchmark has better specifications except for the power but the PAS has good numbers (we lack independent graphics and measurements).

If you live in Europe I would try the PAS. If you do not like it, you return it within 30 days. To spend more money you will always be on time.

It will also depend on the kind of music you listen to. If it is the current commercial, so badly produced and with DR <10 there is little point in spending a fortune on the stereo, I say.

For multimedia, then the PAS or other cheaper ones will suffice. PAS for the front speakers.

 

[VintageFlanker]

Compared to the benchmark how would this pas amplifier do?

The AHB2 runs circles around both.

Still need to be measured, but THD/1Khz specs are either 0.02% (74dB SINAD) or 0.007% (83dB SINAD). Also, we don't know about so many things: THD Vs Frequency, IMD, 32tones FFT, etc.

Why would you need these amp for? If it is about power-only, then better look at IcePower 1200AS2 or Ncore NC502MP.

 

[maty]

The AHB2 runs circles around both.

Still need to be measured, but THD/1Khz specs are either 0.02% (74dB SINAD) or 0.007% (83dB SINAD). Also, we don't know about so many things: THD Vs Frequency, IMD, 32tones FFT, etc.

Why would you need these amp for? If it is about power-only, then better look at IcePower 1200AS2 or Ncore NC502MP.

Professional amplifier. THD, SNR... at max power, 4 Ohms. Not at only 1 or 5 watts -> much better numbers sure.

Ignore SINAD, it is a measurement too simplistic, at least to me.

 

[VintageFlanker]

Professional amplifier. THD 0.02% at max power, 4 Ohms. Not at only 1 or 5 watts -> much better numbers sure.

How would you know that, without any THD+N Vs Frequency graph?

Ignore SINAD, it is a measurement too simplistic, at least to me.

Hard to ignore when this is one of the few specs available here. Still:

Also, we don't know about so many things: THD Vs Frequency, IMD, 32tones FFT, etc.

 

[maty]

Because in professional audio, power stages, it is usually specified at maximum power.

My proposal seems logical if we live in Europe.

The vast majority do not listen to high-quality, high-dynamic-range recordings without exaggerated digital processing in the studio. With acoustic or electric and non-synthetic instruments. Voices without Autotune. It is the sad reality for a few decades. With those painful recordings it is even counterproductive to have a very good audio system that reveals their imperfections, because it can make them unbearable.

 

[Pjetrof]

Choice of music singer songwriter, and music from the unfortunate deceased Ennio Morricone.
Speakers Harbeth 30.2.

 

[maty]

Yesterday: Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses (1978), Vinyl, Chrysalis, UK with DR13
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-post6265107.html

Days ago: Eugene Ormandy, The Philadelphia Orchestra - Saint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 In C Minor, Op. 78 “Organ” (1980), Vinyl, Telarc, US with DR16
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-post6261935.html

 

[Pjetrof]

Yesterday: Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses (1978), Vinyl, Chrysalis, UK with DR13
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-post6265107.html

Days ago: Eugene Ormandy, The Philadelphia Orchestra - Saint-Saëns - Symphony No. 3 In C Minor, Op. 78 “Organ” (1980), Vinyl, Telarc, US with DR16
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-post6261935.html

Did not know Jethro Tull beautiful. Thx. I am still exploring lots of different music through streaming applications.
Is this music good enough to buy Benchmark or would PAS Be more than enough?

 

[maty]

Listen to JT - Aqualung:

• https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-post5843985.html DR15
• https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-post5608375.html DR14

They are superb recordings of the famous Aqualung. The better the audio system and its integration in the room, the more you will enjoy it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqualung_(Jethro_Tull_album)

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list/year?artist=Jethro+Tull&album=Aqualung

 

[Pjetrof]

@maty thx for the reading i ve seen on the other thread the new apollon mini do you think it is better than the pas?

 

[maty]

Those based on the PURIFI modules will surely have excellent measurements. Sound better? I do not know.

I have wanted a new audio system for my second system for a long time, which I started by spending the minimum to do my tests. The problem is that the current sound is great and I have doubts, many doubts. A few days ago I made some changes in the optimization of Win 10 and I have achieved an even better sound than before, which has puzzled me because I believed that it was no longer possible to improve it more via software.

I have had a rush of adrenaline, dopamine ... that had not happened to me before when listening to some of the versions I have of an old Queen album:

Queen - A Day At The Races (1976), Vinyl, EMI Millennium Edition 1999, 180g, UK
https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/music/6958-playing-listening-post6271661.html

Why risk screwing up with a new hard?

 

[maty]

Apollon Audio: Purifi mini Stereo amplifier
https://www.apollonaudio.com/apollon-1et400a-mini-stereo-amplifier/

 

[Pjetrof]

Apollon Audio: Purifi mini Stereo amplifier
https://www.apollonaudio.com/apollon-1et400a-mini-stereo-amplifier/

Looks nice
i wanted to buy that pas just to test but it is always sold out. That say something uf course