Parts for Salon 2s?

[restorer-john]

If it wasn’t damaged from unintentional force of some sort, someone banged something against it or something. REVEL should replace that free of charge. Also, after paying that much for speakers you’d think they could give a little break on the cost of driver replacement. Some of the best drivers available are much cheaper.

It looks like animal related damage to me. Do you have a small dog or a cat? I'd lay money on a cat- you can see a few puncture marks consistent with cat teeth. And multiple right to left scratches.

It's possible there was a live insect inside the loudspeaker (got in through a port), up against the rear of the surround - that would drive any cat to have a go at "catching" it.

 

[Sokel]

It looks like animal related damage to me. Do you have a small dog or a cat? I'd lay money on a cat- you can see a few puncture marks consistent with cat teeth. And multiple right to left scratches.

It's possible there was a live insect inside the loudspeaker (got in through a port), up against the rear of the surround - that would drive any cat to have a go at "catching" it.

It looks more like a burn to me,like chemical burn along with the scratch.
Weird.

 

[Tkl]

I need some guidance. I have salon 2s and believe the tweeter crossover components are out of spec. Some in the industry tested the frequency response from behind my listening position using professional mic and software. The response showed a decline starting around 5k I believe and around 10k rolled off dramatically. I don't recall the dB drop. The highs sound perfectly clear and I have a new tweeter one one side. Skipping a long story trying g to get support from harmon, I accessed the crossover and tried to test the cross overs capicatenc, without unsoldering them but could not get consistent readings. They look fine but believe there out of spec

I love the speakers and need guidance on getting repaired. There is a revel repair facility in Austin tx, 3 hours away but really would like to find some with experience to not only repair but upgrade with hi-end caps, resisters or inductuctors. Some that has succcssfully done upgraded the salon crossover.

 

[Soniclife]

Some in the industry tested the frequency response from behind my listening position using professional mic and software. The response showed a decline starting around 5k I believe and around 10k rolled off dramatically.

That sounds correct for a listening position measurement, depending on what you mean by dramatically. Listening position measurements are not meant to be flat.

 

[Tkl]

I requested the dB drop as I don't recall and will follow up. What's confusing to me is that the salons to me sound better than very expensive speakers with the exception of sounding a little dark on the top. By that I mean the treble seems not not jump out as much as other speakers. Upper registers on piano are perfectly clear, have attack, no edgyness or hashness but simply seem muted volume wise. I have been shopping $100k + speakers and like salon 2s better overall but notice the other speakers or simply more lively on the top. I wrote out my electronics and cabeling as a factor.

 

[Tkl]

What would be a "normal" range for dB reduction at a listening position, e.g. 9' from speakers?

 

[Mr. Widget]

What would be a "normal" range for dB reduction at a listening position, e.g. 9' from speakers?

It is complicated based on humidity, altitude etc., but there is definitely measurable roll off at a typical listening distance of 9'.

Regarding your desire to upgrade the crossover components, that will not produce audible benefits. The system was designed to get the most accurate sound possible with the system as designed.

 

[Soniclife]

What would be a "normal" range for dB reduction at a listening position, e.g. 9' from speakers?

That will depend a lot on the room, e.g. more soft furnishings will give more roll off.

Buy a measuring mic and measure your speakers nearfield, that will tell you what's really going on, you can compare to the speakers spinorama reference.
Listening position measurements are not expected to be consistent.

 

[BossBunos]

Try testing left and right independently is what I would suggest. In room is really different from anechoic and I wouldn't take action based on in room measurements alone. I had my tweeter replaced and woofer crossover fixed after I heard anomalies and measured high levels of distortion on one side in the tweeter region.

 

[Lsc]

Try testing left and right independently is what I would suggest. In room is really different from anechoic and I wouldn't take action based on in room measurements alone. I had my tweeter replaced and woofer crossover fixed after I heard anomalies and measured high levels of distortion on one side in the tweeter region.

This is good advice. I use JL Audio’s TUN4 for RTA and the salon2 in my room is so far from being flat. The bass has a big rise and the treble slopes down a lot.

 

[Tkl]

Regarding my room, I do have a carpet, a sectional fabric sofa (my listening spot). I tried setting the hi frequency gain to max, +1 dB, and it helped, but the top end is still lifeless. Could the soft room cause a 25db role off after 10k?

I did take one speaker to a local speaker repair place and they did not find anything wrong. There expertise was not in audiophile equipment however. I did listen to it in there lobby with cement floors and some pa system and it seemed ok.

 

[Mr. Widget]

I did take one speaker to a local speaker repair place and they did not find anything wrong. There expertise was not in audiophile equipment however. I did listen to it in there lobby with cement floors and some pa system and it seemed ok.

Do you have any sort of measurement equipment? There are basic apps that will work with your phone if you don't. If you have an iPhone, AudioTools make an affordable suite of tools that include calibration files for the built in mic in iPhones.

In any event, You should take a measurement directly in front of each speaker at 1m at the same height. Run the left and measure it, then move to the right and measure it. You must turn off the speaker not under test.

Compare the two measurements. If you placed the mic in the exact same location relative each speaker they should measure very similarly. The bass may change depending on corner placement or other room conditions, but the high frequencies should not be significantly affected by this as long as you are on axis at 1m.

If the two measurements are very close, then the speakers are most likely fine.

 

[Laserjock]

I need some guidance. I have salon 2s and believe the tweeter crossover components are out of spec. Some in the industry tested the frequency response from behind my listening position using professional mic and software. The response showed a decline starting around 5k I believe and around 10k rolled off dramatically. I don't recall the dB drop. The highs sound perfectly clear and I have a new tweeter one one side. Skipping a long story trying g to get support from harmon, I accessed the crossover and tried to test the cross overs capicatenc, without unsoldering them but could not get consistent readings. They look fine but believe there out of spec

I love the speakers and need guidance on getting repaired. There is a revel repair facility in Austin tx, 3 hours away but really would like to find some with experience to not only repair but upgrade with hi-end caps, resisters or inductuctors. Some that has succcssfully done upgraded the salon crossover.

Basic first, are you using the jumpers and are they tight? Tweeter level switch on the back setting.

 

[Tkl]

Person guidance I received I measured the decibel output at the listing position of a 40 HZ tone. I played pink noise at 80 DB and then played a 40 Hertz tone without changing the volume and the dB we're 60 at the listing position. In the prior measuring of my speakers both the left and right frequency decibel curve was fairly close to each other. I will try remeasuring the frequency response again at 1 m. Both channels sound very similar to me. Is it unlikely if the capacitors are a little out of spec that they would be similarly out of spec?

Anyone in the Dallas-Fort Worth area that has Salon 2s that I might be able to listen to?

 

[Mr. Widget]

Is it unlikely if the capacitors are a little out of spec that they would be similarly out of spec?

Very unlikely.

 

[Tkl]

I do use jumpers and insured they are tight I currently have the high frequency setting to +1 DB to help compensate its noticeable but not by much.

 

[RobL]

Many high end manufacturers boost the high frequencies to give the illusion of a “more detailed” presentation. If that appeals to you why not just eq them to your taste?

 

[Lsc]

Many high end manufacturers boost the high frequencies to give the illusion of a “more detailed” presentation. If that appeals to you why not just eq them to your taste?

This is good advice. I use my JL audio CR-1 active crossover to blend my salon2 with my gothams. By setting the “sub/sat balance” slightly toward the sat side, the highs “jump” to life and the subs don’t overpower the overall sound.

However, my salon2 sound just fine when I’m using them without subs even though it sounds much less dynamic.