Preference is a personal thing.I used to find it amusing that people would claim that their digitized needledrops of LPs sounded better than their CDs of the same music.
I’m no longer amused, just shaking my head that it’s come to this.
Preference is a personal thing.I used to find it amusing that people would claim that their digitized needledrops of LPs sounded better than their CDs of the same music.
I’m no longer amused, just shaking my head that it’s come to this.
I don't think many CDs were issued with the same balance as the one cut to an LP, for practical reasons. Bass is monoed, so if one has a system with modest power/bass capability sending the bass equally to both speakers will be better. Most LPs have high treble cut so the cutter doesn't overload. Again, if one has speakers with bright tweeters the LP balance may well sound nicer.I used to find it amusing that people would claim that their digitized needledrops of LPs sounded better than their CDs of the same music.
I’m no longer amused, just shaking my head that it’s come to this.
Generally I think LPs, and hence needle drops sound nicer on systems compromised in power, bass and treble.
That's most hi-fi systems, and I agree, vinyl does kind of domesticate sound.Generally I think LPs, and hence needle drops sound nicer on systems compromised in power, bass and treble.
I used to find it amusing that people would claim that their digitized needledrops of LPs sounded better than their CDs of the same music.
I’m no longer amused, just shaking my head that it’s come to this.
Seems a good part of the discussion in this thread was an Analog vs Digital conversation, which is fine, but if I may circle back -- given the specs and performance of the Zphono, what MM cartridges would pair nicely with it? I've just recently been getting into vinyl and want to upgrade my gear. Seems there is much to be learned on my part about proper impedance, capacitance, peak gain, cart output, etc. I'll be using a Technics SL-23 TT.
Thanks - David
Parasound specs
Most moving magnets will work fine with 47K load and 46 db of gain. Depending on your budget perhaps one of the better Sumiko Oyster series, Audio Technica, or Clearaudio. Moving coils that are specified for higher loads than 100 ohms - 470 for example - might sound "dull" with the 100 ohm load. The Hana SL is a terrific moving coil but it likes a 470 ohm load better - I have first hand experience with that combination. You could use a 20 db step transformer with the Parasound in moving magnet mode. That should work great. Another choice would be the Hana SH at 2.5 mv in moving magnet mode. Keep in mind the better the diamond profile the more proper setup matters. Spherical is easiest but as you move up the line of diamond shapes - more money - VTA, VTF, Azimuth, Overhang, and Zenith all make more audible differences. Whatever you try proper setup can make all the difference.
- signal-to-noise ratio: 84dB (MM); 58dB (MC)
- RIAA accuracy: 0.25 dB (20-20,000 Hz)
- input impedance: 47k ohms (MM); 100 ohms (MC)
- gain at 1 kHz: (MM +46 dB; MC +61 dB)
but wasn't sure how it's 3.5mV output relates to the input/output of the Zphono. I'd assume it's within it's acceptable input range, but didn't know if the lower input voltage would equate to lower output from the Zphono as well.
3.5 mv is plenty for the mm input. The step up was for low output moving coil to be compatible with the mm input / think Hana EL or SL,Bob thanks for the reply -- the ATVM95ML is probably the leading candidate for me currently, but wasn't sure how it's 3.5mV output relates to the input/output of the Zphono. I'd assume it's within it's acceptable input range, but didn't know if the lower input voltage would equate to lower output from the Zphono as well.
-- Apologize, not sure what context you meant using the 20db step up transformer -- for MC carts or MM carts?
Seems a good part of the discussion in this thread was an Analog vs Digital conversation, which is fine, but if I may circle back -- given the specs and performance of the Zphono, what MM cartridges would pair nicely with it? I've just recently been getting into vinyl and want to upgrade my gear. Seems there is much to be learned on my part about proper impedance, capacitance, peak gain, cart output, etc. I'll be using a Technics SL-23 TT.
Thanks - David
Parasound specs
Most moving magnets will work fine with 47K load and 46 db of gain. Depending on your budget perhaps one of the better Sumiko Oyster series, Audio Technica, or Clearaudio. Moving coils that are specified for higher loads than 100 ohms - 470 for example - might sound "dull" with the 100 ohm load. The Hana SL is a terrific moving coil but it likes a 470 ohm load better - I have first hand experience with that combination. You could use a 20 db step transformer with the Parasound in moving magnet mode. That should work great. Another choice would be the Hana SH at 2.5 mv in moving magnet mode. Keep in mind the better the diamond profile the more proper setup matters. Spherical is easiest but as you move up the line of diamond shapes - more money - VTA, VTF, Azimuth, Overhang, and Zenith all make more audible differences. Whatever you try proper setup can make all the difference.
- signal-to-noise ratio: 84dB (MM); 58dB (MC)
- RIAA accuracy: 0.25 dB (20-20,000 Hz)
- input impedance: 47k ohms (MM); 100 ohms (MC)
- gain at 1 kHz: (MM +46 dB; MC +61 dB)
Thanks, unfortunately the RCA cables on the SL-23 are soldered in place and it's not within my skill set to try to replace them. If I was going to measure the capacitance of the TT at the RCA cable how might I do that?That is good advice. ALWAYS use a low-capacitance cable from the turntable / cartridge to the preamp- and use as short a cable as you can. The Blue Jeans Cables LC-1 mentioned by the previous poster is a fine cable for this purpose and very reasonably priced.
With these low-level circuits the capacitance of the cable can have an audible impact- the cartridge has an output of only a few thousandths of a volt- it doesn't take many picofarads of capacitance in the cable to "ground off" some of your treble response. The capacitance of the cable acts like a capacitor between the signal coming out of the cartridge and ground - the higher the capacitance the more high frequency signal will go to ground through this capacitance instead of to your preamp.
(Cable capacitance of single-ended coax interconnects can also have an audible impact in other areas too - if you are using an attenuator as a "passive preamp" between your DAC and power amp, for example, if the input impedance of the power amp is on the low side, capacitance in the cable can combine with that low-ish impedance and cause a loss of treble.)
These are some of the rare instances where a cable can have an audible - AND MEASURABLE - effect on the signal. The solution is not a multi-$thousand cable but just paying attention to the type of cable used in certain applications and making sure you keep your cable runs short and use good low-capacitance cable. The Blue Jeans Cable LC-1 is about $40 for a 2-foot pair. A 6 foot pair costs about $54. These are more expensive than Amazon Basic, but in some uses it is worth it. Blue Jeans also uses very high quality RCA plugs which will grip the sockets well.
For audio hookups where the source has a low impedance - like any good DAC, phono stage, CD player, etc - and the active preamp or power amp has a high input impedance- you don't need to pay as much attention to cable capacitance. But in the special circuits like phono input or "passive preamp" attenuator used with a power amp with a low-ish input impedance, one needs to pay attention.
You can't change the cable so don't worry about it. You could get a moving coil such as this - https://www.musicdirect.com/phono-cartridges/Audio-Technica-AT-OC9XEN-Dual-MC-Phono-CartridgeThanks, unfortunately the RCA cables on the SL-23 are soldered in place and it's not within my skill set to try to replace them. If I was going to measure the capacitance of the TT at the RCA cable how might I do that?
Yeah don't worry about it.Thanks, unfortunately the RCA cables on the SL-23 are soldered in place and it's not within my skill set to try to replace them. If I was going to measure the capacitance of the TT at the RCA cable how might I do that?
Yeah don't worry about it.
To measure the capacitance might be tricky as it a small value, you'd need to be able to measure down to about 20 picofarads with some level of accuracy. The way you would do it would be to disconnect your phono cartridge from the wiring in the headshell, then unplug the turntable's RCA cables from the preamp they are plugged into, and take the two probes to your capacitance meter and put one on the shield - the "outside ring" of the RCA plug of the cable coming out of the turntable, and then put the other meter probe on the center pin. Don't touch the metal of the RCA plug or the meter probes as your body capacitance will throw off the measurement. Some digital multimeters are capable of doing making measurements like this.
.Yeah don't worry about it.
To measure the capacitance might be tricky as it a small value, you'd need to be able to measure down to about 20 picofarads with some level of accuracy. The way you would do it would be to disconnect your phono cartridge from the wiring in the headshell, then unplug the turntable's RCA cables from the preamp they are plugged into, and take the two probes to your capacitance meter and put one on the shield - the "outside ring" of the RCA plug of the cable coming out of the turntable, and then put the other meter probe on the center pin. Don't touch the metal of the RCA plug or the meter probes as your body capacitance will throw off the measurement. Some digital multimeters are capable of doing making measurements like this.