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Para II vs. Verum 2

Dk33145

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Battle of the mid range darlings that I thought I might share. Since not all qualities can be measured easily and compared, out of curiosity, I bought Verum 2 to compare with my Para II... Very different cans. Para II sounds like an orchestra playing and Verum 2 sounds like an IEM on steroids. No clear winner. Which is better depends on the track. Probably keeping both.

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been interested in both of these lately.
the Verum 2 looks huge by comparison in the pic, but i thought they both had same diameter pads?
 
been interested in both of these lately.
the Verum 2 looks huge by comparison in the pic, but i thought they both had same diameter pads?
The Verum 2's coil is slightly larger 105mm vs 100 mm for the Para II but the ear pads are basically the same diameter though much thicker on the Verum. Most of the size difference is in the way the frame is constructed. Having said that the Verum has a much higher clamp pressure and actually runs a smaller fit, snug even on my largish head whereas the Para II has hardly any clamp pressure at all. Both are big boys but neither one feels too heavy to wear.
 
@Dk33145 This is precisely the headphone comparison thread I was hoping to find. I listen primarily to Classical music: orchestral, opera, choral, chamber music, and pipe organ. I've been interested in both the Para 2 and Verum 2 for their low distortion and clarity, and the price point they share. I also plan to invest in a Topping DX5II headphone amp/equalizer that will allow me to optimize the frequency response curve for either of these two headphones that I buy. Which of these two models do you believe would work best with the genres of music I enjoy? I've found that too many headphones have a tendency to turn large orchestral forces into mush (!) Feel free to elaborate as much as you like about what you have discovered when comparing and contrasting your listening experience of these two headphone models. Putting aside the difference in their clamp force, what do you think about their integrity of construction - are they similar in that regard? I'm eager to learn...
 
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This is precisely the headphone comparison thread I was hoping to find. I listen primarily to Classical music: orchestral, opera, choral, chamber music, and pipe organ. I've been interested in both of these headphone models for their low distortion and clarity, and the price point they share. I also plan to invest in a Topping DX5II headphone amp/equalizer that will allow me to optimize the frequency response curve for either of these two headphones that I buy. (The one major difference between these two models is their fit. I've gathered that the clamp force on the Para 2 is low and, with any forward tilt of my small and narrow head it's likely to slide right off. I'm confident that won't be a problem with the Verum 2.) But putting that issue aside, which of these two models do you believe would work best with the genres of music I enjoy? I've found that too many headphones have a tendency to turn large orchestral forces into mush (!) Feel free to elaborate as much as you like about what you have discovered when comparing and contrasting your listening experience of these two headphone models. And what do you think about their integrity of construction - are they similar in that regard as well? I'm eager to learn...
Also consider Heddphone D1. Low distortion, what is good for EQ and good FR in the first place. More expensive though. I was in similar position and ordered this one, but was also considering either Para II or Aune AR5000. Did not receive it yet, so can't comment on build quality.
 
Also consider Heddphone D1 - more expensive though - or Aune AR5000.
Thanks for the suggestions. I've seen the excellent reviews of the Heddphone D1 - some have rated it the best new model of 2025 - though I'm not sure if I'm prepared to pay $300 more (maybe I'm being too frugal). I've looked at the Aune AR5000 as well, which seems to be very highly regarded by its owners, and is a real bargain. By Amir's measurements it benefits by a big equalization boost in the bass, though that's also where the distortion levels start to rise (maybe I'm putting too great an emphasis on that individual factor). At this point I guess I'm trying to keep things simple by limiting my headphone considerations to the Para 2 and Verum 2, because I have been perpetually stuck in analysis paralysis after months of researching this purchase (!) In other words, I'm pausing my rumination on other models at least until I can make a clear choice between these two, since my poor brain is getting a little fried...
 
without eq'ing em to a target/to your preferences how are you sure the tuning isnt affecting the thoughts?
 
@Dk33145 This is precisely the headphone comparison thread I was hoping to find. I listen primarily to Classical music: orchestral, opera, choral, chamber music, and pipe organ. I've been interested in both the Para 2 and Verum 2 for their low distortion and clarity, and the price point they share. I also plan to invest in a Topping DX5II headphone amp/equalizer that will allow me to optimize the frequency response curve for either of these two headphones that I buy. Which of these two models do you believe would work best with the genres of music I enjoy? I've found that too many headphones have a tendency to turn large orchestral forces into mush (!) Feel free to elaborate as much as you like about what you have discovered when comparing and contrasting your listening experience of these two headphone models. Putting aside the difference in their clamp force, what do you think about their integrity of construction - are they similar in that regard? I'm eager to learn...
Unfortunately, there is no way to sugercoat this, Verum 2's strength is not in classical music. It absolutely rocks out with Pop, R&B, Dance etc (like make you smile at every song good, like Amir says). The clarity and the treble attack is better than Para 2. With classical music, I use my Para 2. The soundstage and separation is just that much more awesome.
 
Verum 2's strength is not in classical music. With classical music, I use my Para 2. The soundstage and separation is just that much more awesome.
Thanks - I appreciate your insights. I can be a bit slow-witted, and I wasn't sure I'd grasped the meaning of your original comparison of the Verum 2 to "an IEM on steroids". Now I understand that the Verum 2 has superb clarity but sounds as though the music is playing right in the middle of your head, while as Amir has said about the Para 2, "Spatial qualities are excellent, which translates to every note taking its space around an oval outside of my ear".
I know there are no perfect headphones, and in my case I realize that choosing between the Para 2 and the Verum 2 amounts to deciding whether I want the excellent soundstage but floppy fit of the Para 2 or the good fit but center-point sound of the Verum 2. Well, as the saying goes, I'll figure out this headphone purchase "if it's the last thing I do..."
 
Thanks - I appreciate your insights. I can be a bit slow-witted, and I wasn't sure I'd grasped the meaning of your original comparison of the Verum 2 to "an IEM on steroids". Now I understand that the Verum 2 has superb clarity but sounds as though the music is playing right in the middle of your head, while as Amir has said about the Para 2, "Spatial qualities are excellent, which translates to every note taking its space around an oval outside of my ear".
I know there are no perfect headphones, and in my case I realize that choosing between the Para 2 and the Verum 2 amounts to deciding whether I want the excellent soundstage but floppy fit of the Para 2 or the good fit but center-point sound of the Verum 2. Well, as the saying goes, I'll figure out this headphone purchase "if it's the last thing I do..."
I was really interested in the Para ii for the value and supposed soundstage, but the issues around it's fit have put me off a bit. I'm also considering Hifi-Man egg shaped headphones, since many people note the soundstage of those too.
 
Imho "soundstage" in headphones is more of a frequency responce thing. If vocal region is flat (or elevated a bit) some people will tell that soundstage is small.
If vocal region recessed - vocals will be heard "more distant" and perceived soundstage can be considered "bigger".
 
Imho "soundstage" in headphones is more of a frequency responce thing. If vocal region is flat (or elevated a bit) some people will tell that soundstage is small.
If vocal region recessed - vocals will be heard "more distant" and perceived soundstage can be considered "bigger".
I agree. It's surely no coincidence that so many of the *soundstage kings* have a little suckout from around 1kHz to 2,5kHz.
I do not hear soundstage with headphones at all. I've owned the Arya and HD800S both and to me it just makes it sound slightly less neutral, not wide or having a large soundstage. I always fix it with EQ.
 

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Imho "soundstage" in headphones is more of a frequency responce thing.
I agree. It's surely no coincidence that so many of the *soundstage kings* have a little suckout from around 1kHz to 2,5kHz.
That's interesting, and it makes sense to me. Unfortunately, I may be "ruined" in terms of headphone soundstage. For more than 50 years I've been listening to Classical music through loudspeakers, and much of that time with a "quadraphonic" system. Consequently, I think I've never really acquired the ability to perceive soundstage in headphones, and music played though virtually any model sounds as though it is originating inside my cranium. But if a headphone incorporates all the other important factors of good performance, build quality, and comfortabe fit, it's enough to give me satisfaction, and I believe the Verum 2 achieves that.
 
It might be a subjective thing, or another aspect of headphone listening that's a function of your individual ear shape, but I don't find the Verum 2 lacking in the soundstage or "stereo width" department. I don't have a Para 2 to compare it to, but to me the soundstage is great and pretty much perfect; just the right "width" when listening to naturally recorded orchestral music or organ music. Having said that, I've attended quite a few orchestral concerts, operas and organ recitals in the past 30 years, and I've never heard a headphone or a speaker system that can replicate that experience of "being in the room". For the record, I also use to play acoustic (classical) guitar and piano for years, so I have a pretty good idea of good acoustic sound.

I'm also a huge fan of ambient electronic music (the type of music where the reverb is practically another band member :cool:). The sense of space is consistently great in ambient electro with the Verum 2, too.

Compared to my Sennheiser HD6xx, the HD6xx might have a bit more subjective "width" to my ears, but I almost view that as a cool effect because I can hear this magical "widening" effect even on 100% mono sources (I produce music, so I was able to test it with 100% mono material). The HD6xx also has a bit of a weak center image, probably because of this. Center "solidity" is weaker compared to the Verum 2 and my Fostexes. Mind you, these are subtle differences.

My wife has a HD650S which she likes due to its really wide stereo image. To me, that's wildly unnatural. Sounds cool at first, but the "solidity" of sounds coming from the center is almost completely gone, and accurate spatial localisation is no longer possible (again, to my ears; she just enjoys the wide sound :cool:).

So take the above into consideration; I have no idea what people are talking about when they say the Sennheiser HD650/600/6xx doesn't have good imaging or has this "3-blob stereo" effect. To me the imaging is precise, natural, and life-like. The imaging on the Verum 2 is comparable, but with a strong center image and less subtle "magical" widening. In short, I'd trust the Verum 2 a lot more for panning decisions during mixing than the Senny (and I'd trust it more for any other mixing task, too, due to it's overall superior performance in pretty much all important aspects).
 
I was really interested in the Para ii for the value and supposed soundstage, but the issues around it's fit have put me off a bit. I'm also considering Hifi-Man egg shaped headphones, since many people note the soundstage of those too.

I've had the Para 2 for about a week now, but have not yet been able to listen to them, which is obviously killing me.

I have worn them, though. And I'd agree with much of what's implicit in pretty much all the reviews I've read. Which is to say they're heavy, the headband looks like it's made for huge heads, that people with more 'normal' size heads may suffer, and that the clamp force feels unconvincing.

BUT!

Almost all these same reviewers say they're actually pretty comfortable, and the weight doesn't affect the reviewer in the way they thought once they have them on. And, whilst I think pretty much all reviewers have commented on concerns about the clamp force in their initial impressions, I haven't seen a single one for whom this has caused a problem when listening, despite their warnings that others may suffer. And away from the reviews, I've not seen a single user say they couldn't get a consistant seal.

I just want to add here, I'm quite surprised that almost every reviewer has said something like "...but I've got a big head." Bottom line, I don't believe them. I don't know why every single headphone reviewer should have an oversized head, it's statistically unlikely. But I'll stick my neck out a little, and others may want to comment. Whilst with some headphones clamp force is important, these appear to buck the trend. There's something about them which appears to ensure that, even with minimal clamp force, they stay sealed. Is it the weight? I'll post a pic later, but the weight and structure does appear to make them pull inwards.

I may be wrong, but it does appear like the design means you'll get a decent seal, even with minimal clamp force.

Comments from users?
 
I've had the Para 2 for about a week now, but have not yet been able to listen to them, which is obviously killing me.

I have worn them, though. And I'd agree with much of what's implicit in pretty much all the reviews I've read. Which is to say they're heavy, the headband looks like it's made for huge heads, that people with more 'normal' size heads may suffer, and that the clamp force feels unconvincing.

BUT!

Almost all these same reviewers say they're actually pretty comfortable, and the weight doesn't affect the reviewer in the way they thought once they have them on. And, whilst I think pretty much all reviewers have commented on concerns about the clamp force in their initial impressions, I haven't seen a single one for whom this has caused a problem when listening, despite their warnings that others may suffer. And away from the reviews, I've not seen a single user say they couldn't get a consistant seal.

I just want to add here, I'm quite surprised that almost every reviewer has said something like "...but I've got a big head." Bottom line, I don't believe them. I don't know why every single headphone reviewer should have an oversized head, it's statistically unlikely. But I'll stick my neck out a little, and others may want to comment. Whilst with some headphones clamp force is important, these appear to buck the trend. There's something about them which appears to ensure that, even with minimal clamp force, they stay sealed. Is it the weight? I'll post a pic later, but the weight and structure does appear to make them pull inwards.

I may be wrong, but it does appear like the design means you'll get a decent seal, even with minimal clamp force.

Comments from users?
Nice to hear that. Look forward to hearing more once you get more time with them.
They seem to be very impressive for the money, and it would be good to get more info on the fit issue. I'll just be using them at a desk, so if they sit where there supposed to, then I will probably reconsider them.
 
Okay, here's what I'm talking about. Sennheiser HD600s, how are they for clamp force? All the comments I read is that they're too tight, and need stretching out, or left for a while over a pile of books. Here's mine on a new stand I've just bought.

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Okay, so they 'clamp' imwards, there's still a gap betwen the pads and the rod in the middle of my stand.

In comparison, here are the 'low clamp' Para 2s.

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See that? Despite the low clamp force, their weight pulls them in so they're touching the rod in the middle.

I don't care how small anyone's head is, it's not as thin as that rod. ;)

My working presumption here is that the nature of the headband, combined with the weight, means the clamforce isn't particularly excessive, but remains roughly the same, no matter how wide or narrow your head is. Other headphones rely on the amount of springy tension built into the solid headband, which gets greater the further you pull them apart, whereas here the clamp force is down to the weight, and lack of ridgitity in the soft headband.

Could be wrong.
 
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The imaging on the Verum 2 ... with a strong center image and less subtle "magical" widening
This is very well said. The Verum 2 sounds very centered and Igor's point is well taken as well, Para II has certain sounds that do indeed sound more distant. For me, my preference is for that more expansive sound of Para II for classical or atmospheric music and the more centered, clarity focused sound of the Verum 2 for nearly everything else. This is not to say that either sucks for the other categories, just that the particular one is just that much better and purpose suited.
 
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Okay, here's what I'm talking about. Sennheiser HD600s, how are they for clamp force? All the comments I read is that they're too tight, and need stretching out, or left for a while over a pile of books. Here's mine on a new stand I've just bought.

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Okay, so they 'clamp' imwards, there's still a gap betwen the pads and the rod in the middle of my stand.

In comparison, here are the 'low clamp' Para 2s.

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See that? Despite the low clamp force, their weight pulls them in so they're touching the rod in the middle.

I don't care how small anyone's head is, it's not as thin as that rod. ;)

My working presumption here is that the nature of the headband, combined with the weight, means the clamforce isn't particularly excessive, but remains roughly the same, no matter how wide or narrow your head is. Other headphones rely on the amount of springy tension built into the solid headband, which gets greater the further you pull them apart, whereas here the clamp force is down to the weight, and lack of ridgitity in the soft headband.

Could be wrong.

It looks to me like the headphones I'm using now, the Yamaha YH-1 from the mid/late 70s. Also planar magnetic (orthodynamic). Designer: Mario Bellini. May not have originated here, but certainly predates the Para2. The weight pushes down around the head due to the floating headstrap, which provides force against the ears (a pleasant amount, unlike the HD 25 and DT 1350 that came later).

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With the new Studio Room Convolver on DX5 II, the Para 2 does sound better to my ears with most tracks than the Verum 2 (Verum 2 still wins on max bitrate tracks which can't use the Convolver). It complements the Para 2 in exactly the areas that it was deficient (tightness of bass and treble attacks) and seems to have less on an effect on Verum 2 (which was already strong in those areas). The small tradeoff is that the Convolver does result in a minor loss of details but in terms of musicality, frankly speechless. Also the floating sensation once you get used to it.
 
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