Thank you, @illusonic, would you consider a pair of these for Home (Large Room) use....In case anyone wondered how Palmer could release such an advanced product seemingly out of nowhere, look at this speaker from LD Systems (belongs to Palmer). Cardioid midrange and optionally also bass (requires second sub). Check the videos. The way the bass module automatically goes into slave mode, which only allows cardioid mode de-/activation, once the column speaker is removed, showcases their attention to detail and system integration. Also the display reminds me of the Orbits, although the implementation on the latter is more advanced.
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Palmer Orbit 11 Monitor Review
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Well (going off Erin's measurements), turning these off axis 30 degrees seems to create a slight dip in the upper mid-range. Personally, I would just keep them on axis.
Thank you, @heflys20, do you have a link to Erin's measurements?
It's on his Patreon, unfortunately.
In case anyone wondered how Palmer could release such an advanced product seemingly out of nowhere, look at this speaker from LD Systems (belongs to Palmer). Cardioid midrange and optionally also bass (requires second sub). Check the videos. The way the bass module automatically goes into slave mode, which only allows cardioid mode de-/activation, once the column speaker is removed, showcases their attention to detail and system integration. Also the display reminds me of the Orbits, although the implementation on the latter is more advanced.
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Column systems have literally revolutionized numerous application areas for bands and DJs. Never has it been easier to provide a consistent sound solution from a simple, inconspicuous PA system - even in large spaces. The MAUI® 44 G2 is...
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This system seems to have been around since 2020. There is even a detailed measurement report on it: https://portal.adamhall.com/api/v1/...download/18a33ad6-f93b-4122-aacb-f5378ee6d28c
Look up their MAILA and CURV systems as well.
All their array speakers are capable of SPL at low distortion that put the hyped up big budget big brand studio monitors around these parts completely to shame.
A weak spot of the MAUI is the sharp transition in directivity from lowmids to midhighs. Otherwise, the objective performance would be frankly ridiculous for the price. But even that could probably be improved with a moderate engineering effort.
Thank you, @Elisando, is there an English version of the German Test/Mesure pdf?
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It's very pity Erin is using from now on much more his Patreon site than his free YT channel.
Is Erin's test close to Amir test on ASR ?
Would you sum up (of course without publishing the figures, graphs and text which are protected) his measurements and listening feedback ?
I think most of us would appreciate this.
Aside from Erin finding a peak at 16khz, measurements are mostly the same. He found the bass tuning to be slightly strange and a bit bloated, and that the speaker is best suited for nearfield listening. He felt the speaker sounded bright at farfield or, potentially, in a reflective room. He recommends the speaker be angled at 10 degrees for best response. He likes the speakers SPL capabilities and cardioid response. He feels the speaker could use a few tweaks, but, overall, especially for the price, finds it to be a good product.
Would love to see this compared to a Devialet Phantom.
"Just shows you can't beat physics" seems silly: It goes shockingly lower than most anyone would expect, and the Devialet Phantom series is like that even more so. I think it just shows that most speaker companies don't try hard enough to do things like use egregious amounts of power and excursion with rigid materials that won't distort too much.
Most speakers "obeying physics" at this size would just sound like purposefully busted garbage. Glad this sounds like it doesn't.
"Just shows you can't beat physics" seems silly: It goes shockingly lower than most anyone would expect, and the Devialet Phantom series is like that even more so. I think it just shows that most speaker companies don't try hard enough to do things like use egregious amounts of power and excursion with rigid materials that won't distort too much.
Most speakers "obeying physics" at this size would just sound like purposefully busted garbage. Glad this sounds like it doesn't.
I have to agree. The bass in my (small) roomn with the Orbits is actually exceptional. A qualifier: my seat is very close to the wall behind me, so extra boundary enforcement; and speakers only about 10ft away. And I don't attempt or want SPL levels of live Pink Floyd playing in my room. But I can't get the limiting lights or sound to come on at any level I can imagine listening at, even with pipe organ in something like "Good Places" (Beaver and Krause,), about the only infra bass I listen to at blasting levels.
Another qualifier: bass didn't sound great at first, rather thumpy actually, but after a quick run of Wiim Ultra's Roomfit auro-EQ -- wow. An Ulta and these things makes an amazing system for me.
I'm also not having noise problems, at ALL. Given that I have the hf hearing loss common to people my age, but I had to turn the sensitivity to max to hear any noise at all even from just a few inches away. I use digital input, and at lowest sensitivity in use so needless to say I hear no noise at all at any closeness. So maybe Palmer fixed it, or maybe my higher frequency hearing is a lot worse than others is.
I currently have the Ascilabs C6B set aside, will switch back to them (with subs) soon to compare again. Not sure which I'll like better. Ascis have an elegance to ther sound (maybe expectation bias from seeing their curves?), the Orbits are maybe more real, at least in TV dialog (and certainly in bass).
I think the Orbits have me less aware of the asymmetry of my room (large glass doors close at left, wide open to the rest of the house at right), but again maybe that's expectation and knowing they stay directional down another two octaves. Can't 'hear' the cabinets of either Asci or Palmer, sound never sounds like its from the speakers
Maybe I'll keep both and let my kids deal with speakers in storage when I kick off...
Anyway, I think the claims of too-many-compromises with Orbit11s are nonsense. It's more like they went for *everything*, maybe pushed too hard for ultra low end, but it's really a great result me. but maybe not for large rooms or if you like loud rap or disco.
Another qualifier: bass didn't sound great at first, rather thumpy actually, but after a quick run of Wiim Ultra's Roomfit auro-EQ -- wow. An Ulta and these things makes an amazing system for me.
I'm also not having noise problems, at ALL. Given that I have the hf hearing loss common to people my age, but I had to turn the sensitivity to max to hear any noise at all even from just a few inches away. I use digital input, and at lowest sensitivity in use so needless to say I hear no noise at all at any closeness. So maybe Palmer fixed it, or maybe my higher frequency hearing is a lot worse than others is.
I currently have the Ascilabs C6B set aside, will switch back to them (with subs) soon to compare again. Not sure which I'll like better. Ascis have an elegance to ther sound (maybe expectation bias from seeing their curves?), the Orbits are maybe more real, at least in TV dialog (and certainly in bass).
I think the Orbits have me less aware of the asymmetry of my room (large glass doors close at left, wide open to the rest of the house at right), but again maybe that's expectation and knowing they stay directional down another two octaves. Can't 'hear' the cabinets of either Asci or Palmer, sound never sounds like its from the speakers
Maybe I'll keep both and let my kids deal with speakers in storage when I kick off...
Anyway, I think the claims of too-many-compromises with Orbit11s are nonsense. It's more like they went for *everything*, maybe pushed too hard for ultra low end, but it's really a great result me. but maybe not for large rooms or if you like loud rap or disco.
thank you for the sharing, can't wait to see your comparison, Orbits 11 vs. C6B.
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