Palmer Orbit 11 Monitor Review

[Pearljam5000]

@Pearljam5000 these aren't the speakers you're looking for

Thanks
Now the dilemma is again Neumann or Genelec

 

[Bwaslo]

I dunno, still looks pretty good to me... The "bass step" is right where it makes sense to be for a cardioid, am I wrong? The anechoic response is essentially flat. Energy no longer confined to one direction is going to get overall higher as it reflects off more boundaries, exactly as the data shows. If other cardioids DONT show that, I'd question the result.

I do think a sub is warranted, though, but is the Orbit penalized because it goes too low? (also trivial fix with eq)

 

[mj30250]

What's "special" about these is the price point. Amplification, DSP, coaxial, 3-way, generally flat on-axis response all the way to 30Hz and a degree of cardioid pattern for under $2000 USD. That's tough to beat in a nearfield solution and there are plenty of speakers at this pricing tier and above with far worse directivity. But yes, for midfield and beyond, these ain't it.

 

[Ratterbass]

I wonder if something went wrong in Amir’s measurement. There are already two independent high quality measurements out there, one being made on a NFS as well and both show very similar results while Amir’s deviate quite a bit.

 

[dickiefunk]

Thanks for your review. I think I’m going to stick with my KH120’s and add the KH750dsp sub.

 

[Bwaslo]

Amir -
"The predicted in-room response, while being a simulation for far-field listening, shows a strong bass step response"
That's kind of confused wording. "Step response" is usually referring to something different (which you do show later ...it looks pretty drawn out at LF, coincidentally)

 

[dfuller]

I wonder if something went wrong in Amir’s measurement. There are already two independent high quality measurements out there, one being made on a NFS as well and both show very similar results while Amir’s deviate quite a bit.

View attachment 517767View attachment 517768

Neither of these were done on a NFS. Seyun (Nuyes) uses gated + nearfield, Palmer I assume used an anechoic chamber.

 

[Bwaslo]

I wonder if something went wrong in Amir’s measurement. There are already two independent high quality measurements out there, one being made on a NFS as well and both show very similar results while Amir’s deviate quite a bit.

View attachment 517767View attachment 517768

No, I think the anechoic frequency response matches ok. It's the estimated in-room that has a bump, as it takes in directivity curve and assumes walls and floor (which those two curves, being for anechoic, don't).

 

[amirm]

I wonder if something went wrong in Amir’s measurement. There are already two independent high quality measurements out there, one being made on a NFS as well and both show very similar results while Amir’s deviate quite a bit.

??? They look very much like mine, sans the smoothing they apply vs mine. Where are you seeing the discrepancy?

 

[amirm]

That's kind of confused wording. "Step response" (which you show later in normal meaning) is usually referring to something different (which you do show later .. and it looks pretty drawn out at LF, coincidentally)

The word "step" here means the general English term: there is a step up in frequency response. The "Step" response measurement shown elsewhere means the input signal was a step (in time domain), and what you see, is the output of the speaker.

 

[amirm]

It looks to me that the far field estimation bumps up where the cardioid effect ends?

Good point. The cardioid response ends very rapidly and at higher frequency, making that exaggerated step response. Here is the C8C which has lower termination and smoother one:

So a bit of a bump but nice and gradual change from one mode to the other. Of course, not in the same price class or size.

 

[RobL]

I almost pulled trigger on these when Red One offered me a discount on a pair. I’ll stick with my lowly ilouds for now, lol.
Still no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[illusonic]

Polars resemble that from Stoneeh so no surprise here and quite good horizontally and really good vertically.
THD is higher than manufacturer (84dB measurement only) and Stoneeh measurements but still lower than D&D 8C and Kii Three.

Dutch & Dutch 8c Review

Pulled from my website here: https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/dutch_dutch_8c/ Note: The YouTube review isn't up yet. Hopefully will be this weekend. Didn't want to put off the release of the data any further. Dutch & Dutch 8c Speaker Review Friday, Mar 5, 2021 Foreword /...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Kii THREE Review

Link: https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/kii_three/ Erin's conclusion: The Kii THREE is one of those game-changing speakers that you hear and you question what you’ve been missing your entire life. From the aesthetic to the way they sound, I love everything about the Kii...

www.audiosciencereview.com

New Kii Seven

Is the 6C confirmed? When will it be released? I don’t think it’s “officially” confirmed, but with Atmos being relevant… you’d think it’s the highest priority. I don’t know when they will be released, but I’d rather wait till it’s perfected if that is what is taking so long

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[Bwaslo]

The word "step" here means the general English term: there is a step up in frequency response. The "Step" response measurement shown elsewhere means the input signal was a step (in time domain), and what you see, is the output of the speaker.

Fully aware of all that, but having "step response" in a sentence meaning a step IN FREQUENCY response is likely to confuse. But never mind, not important, probably just being pedantic.

 

[dfuller]

Polars resemble that from Stoneeh so no surprise here and quite good horizontally and really good vertically.
THD is higher than manufacturer (84dB measurement only) and Stoneeh measurements but still lower than D&D 8C and Kii Three.

Dutch & Dutch 8c Review

Pulled from my website here: https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/dutch_dutch_8c/ Note: The YouTube review isn't up yet. Hopefully will be this weekend. Didn't want to put off the release of the data any further. Dutch & Dutch 8c Speaker Review Friday, Mar 5, 2021 Foreword /...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Kii THREE Review

Link: https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/kii_three/ Erin's conclusion: The Kii THREE is one of those game-changing speakers that you hear and you question what you’ve been missing your entire life. From the aesthetic to the way they sound, I love everything about the Kii...

www.audiosciencereview.com

New Kii Seven

Is the 6C confirmed? When will it be released? I don’t think it’s “officially” confirmed, but with Atmos being relevant… you’d think it’s the highest priority. I don’t know when they will be released, but I’d rather wait till it’s perfected if that is what is taking so long

www.audiosciencereview.com

To be clear, the D&D and Kii control directivity down the better part of an octave lower than the Palmer. The D&D also doesn't engage limiters at 86dB.

 

[OnAir]

I was worried that the internal volume of the enclosure was too small, and it turned out just as I expected. I’ll wait for an improved version with a larger enclosure or one that doesn’t forcefully extend the low-frequency bandwidth.

 

[Bwaslo]

Good point. The cardioid response ends very rapidly and at higher frequency, making that exaggerated step response. Here is the C8C which has lower termination and smoother one:

So a bit of a bump but nice and gradual change from one mode to the other. Of course, not in the same price class or size.

D&D 8C does it too, to same degree (about 6dB), but not abruptly.

Can't see why not abrupt, though, directivity map shows it goes abruptly omni around 100Hz.

 

[Somafunk]

Hmmm?, If my Dynaudio LYD48’s go pop then I’d definitely consider buying these, i imagine they’d be right at home when used with my two Dynaudio 18s dual opposed subwoofers as I’d cross over at 80hz so that’d remove the distortion issues with the Orbit 11’s

 

[Bwaslo]

I was worried that the internal volume of the enclosure was too small, and it turned out just as I expected. I’ll wait for an improved version with a larger enclosure or one that doesn’t forcefully extend the low-frequency bandwidth.

Or?. Then add a HPF in eq and ..done

 

[Bruce Morgen]

Value wise, a pair of Kali's and matching sub seems a better proposition.

Yup.