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Palmer Orbit 11 Monitor Review

Rate this monitor speaker:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 6 2.4%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 46 18.5%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 134 53.8%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 63 25.3%

  • Total voters
    249

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This is a review, listening tests and detailed measurements of the Palmer Orbit 11 Cardioid coaxial professional monitor (powered speaker). It was sent to me by the company and costs US $899 each.
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker DSP Review.png

This is a cute but super dense and have little thing! :) I don't think filling it with lead would make it any heavier. Construction feels like inch think metal. The shiny woofer takes away a bit from the look but for professional market, I don't think it is a big deal. Dual opposing woofers are located on each side. Back side shows the nice analog and digital connectivity:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker DSP back panel Review.png

There is a modern and nicely looking/easy to use display that puts every other studio monitor to shame. It allows limited adjustments for location and sensitivity. On the latter, I tested the unit at -12 dB sensitivity. I will test for this more later but audible hiss was quite acceptable to me and faded out at 1 meter/3 feet.

Palmer Orbit 11 Monitor Measurements
As usual we start with our anechoic speaker frequency response and directivity measurements courtesy of Klippel Near-Field Scanner:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker Frequency Response Measurements.png

The most striking thing is seeing a speaker, of almost any size, being flat to 30 Hz and having extension down to 20 Hz!!! On-axis response is mostly flat with some low level undulations especially around 6 kHz.

Directivity however, seems uneven to me. There is some attempt at constant level but as you see in the blue dashed line, spacing between it and on-axis is not constant. That results in early window frequency response that is uneven and hence, room dependent:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker near field Frequency Response Measurements.png


The predicted in-room response, while being a simulation for far-field listening, shows a strong bass step response:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker predicted in-room Frequency Response Measureme...png


Speaker is likely to sound boomy. We will listen for this later.

Back to directivity, we can see that more clearly in our beam width response:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker horizontal beam width Measurements.png


It is challenging to get a coaxial driver to have smooth response across full range.
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker horizontal directivity Measurements.png


The benefit of coaxial comes to play in vertical response which is far more even than any 2-way non-coaxial:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker vertical directivity Measurements.png


When I first started to test the speaker, I thought something was broken as the speaker clipping indicator would keep coming on. I realized after some testing that it does so at any level above 86 dBSPL. So no wonder distortion shoots way up at 96 dBSPL:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker relative distortion Measurements.png

In addition to that, electronic limiting is provided which reduces bass response:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker THD distortion Measurements.png

That's actually nice in the way sub-bass response just becomes distorted instead of severely bottoming out.

We can see the limitation much more clearly if we focus on bass:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker low frequency THD distortion Measurements.png


We have exponential rise in distortion below 100 Hz even at 81 dBSPL. This would predict that you really need to listen at low levels if you want to enjoy full range response. Or else deploy a subwoofer.

Here is our waterfall:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker waterfall Measurements.png


And step response:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker Step response Measurements.png


I wonder if that odd wiggle is power limiting even at this 86 dBSPL measurement.

Palmer Orbit 11 Listening Tests (Near-field)
First impression was that of warmth and deep bass -- something that just doesn't come for the ride in this size and price category. Alas, on sub-bass heavy tracks, I could barely turn up the volume, lest I wanted distortion and limited output. With bass that was not so deep, response was pretty good and speaker could get pretty loud before clipping indicator came on.

Listening more, what I heard was variable. At times, the response was very nice and full range, putting a smile on my face. But on other tracks, I would find the bass unwieldly. I applied some EQ and this helped a bit:
Palmer Orbit 11 Studio Monitor Cardioid Speaker Equalization Bass.png


But the real solution likely requires fair bit of experimentation, measurement and fine tuning. Interactions with the room likely is another factor, making such tuning more difficult (with just the anechoic response).

Conclusions
The Orbit 11 is the third speaker in a row I have tested which extends the low end well below any prediction one would have. I kind of like this in that you have potential that you then get to optimize. A full-range response is something to be treasured. Alas, the tuning of the Orbit 11 is rough as predicted in the measurements and my listening tests. Bass either overwhelms or gets limited. The former can be managed I think, just not in quick manner. At the end of the day, the low cost and very small enclosure bring limitations here.

I would like to see one size larger version of Orbit 11 with more amplification power. And better tuning of the off-axis response as to provide a better in-room response.

As is, there is a lot of potential here so I am going to recommend the Palmer Orbit 11. Just be prepared to either use auto-EQ or fair bit of manual tuning. This is not a plug and play solution.

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Attachments

Active Coaxial Three-Way Studio Monitor​

  • Coaxial true point source
  • Equipped with: 2 pulse-compensated 8‘ woofers, coaxial 6.5" midrange driver / 1" tweeter
  • Power: 400 W RMS / 1000 W Peak
  • Frequency range: 28 - 28.000 Hz +/-3 dB
  • Sound pressure level: 116 dB
  • 3-way system with maximum precision and clarity across the entire bandwidth and crisp, resonance-free bass
  • Wide frequency range allows use without a subwoofer in most cases
  • 120° ×120° constant directivity provides uniform coverage
  • Cardioid radiation pattern in the mid and high frequency ranges from 250 Hz reduces room excitation.
  • Advanced low-end design improves wall coupling and reduces cancellations
  • Linear phase digital filters with minimal latency via high-resolution DAC and DSP at 96 kHz / 24 bit
  • Clear control panel with presets for compensating acoustic effects caused by tables and walls allows for quick adjustments
  • Analogue line input: 3-pin XLR balanced
  • AES3 input: 3-pin XLR
  • AES3 output: 3-pin XLR
  • IEC cold device plug for mains voltage
  • Closed die-cast aluminium housing for extremely low resonance
  • Dimensions (W × H × D): 216 × 293 × 292 mm
  • Weight: 13.9 kg
  • Colour: Black
 
Nice!
 
It seems my Neumanns will be staying put, but this is a wildly strong value at desktop distances. Thanks, Amir!

What were your findings regarding self-noise?
 
It's good to have those high resolution NFS spinorama measurements. Thanks!
It shows that it is not that easy to build a coax that matches Kef's or Genelec's in a first go.
Still astonishing achievement.
 
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I would like to see one size larger version of Orbit 11 with more amplification power. And better tuning of the off-axis response as to provide a better in-room response.
We all do! And with the same pricing in mind.
Thanks for the review.
 
What a fascinating review, especially as we have all been salivating over this one.

It's a little disappointing but off axis response matters a lot! Can't be said enough. I'm less bothered by the SPL limits.

Still, I'm voting great because of the price point. I know is not part of @amirm review and shouldn't be. Maybe it shouldn't factor into my vote either but it's a lot of speaker for the money.
 
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I've been wondering over the past few weeks if it would be worth 'upgrading' my Gelelec 8030c's to this, and the answer I think I've come to is No. With that said, if I didn't already have a working solution, I would definitely strongly consider these as the price to performance ratio is incredible.

Hopefully there is a v2 in a couple of years that fixes the small issues of this amazing speaker design.
 
Wow. That SPL limitation is really something. This is what happens when you try and get too much bass out of too small a box by brute forcing it.

The KH310 is famously headroom limited, but this is way, way moreso. At least the 310 can do 86 without running out of steam...
 
It almost looks like it would do better for directivity on its side (other than that one woofer would be at bottom). Would like to rotate the baffle 90 degrees
 
Do you think they tried to do too much in one package?
I mean whats the point of having cardioid with such a wobbly beam width and frequency response?

Value wise, a pair of Kali's and matching sub seems a better proposition.

Iam not convinced, looks like a boom box from the 80s with that exaggerated bass response
 
Great to see this review to bring the discussion fully down to earth. I guess the speaker isn't too good to be true, but for the money it still is no slouch.

My reaction is similar to @Darkatomz, I'm in the same boat.

Still, with the cardioid available to limit room interaction, if you are willing to EQ these will remain on the list for "what if I need new near fields for some reason"... Definitely still worth thinking about if you can EQ but can't treat the room...
 
It looks to me that the far field estimation bumps up where the cardioid effect ends? (Or is it just where the woofers kick in?). . And It seems like it happens where wall, foor, and ceiling reflections stop getting cardioid cancelled, which kind of makes sense - are other cardioids doing this? If not, why not. (Either way, it's nothing that a negative dB LF shelf wouldn't fix. Which would also help reduce running out of gas at LF to the tune of about 6dB)
 
To be honest I kinda wondered if I made a mistake returning my pair after receiving all the heat about not giving them enough time and so on and so on. Seeing the measurements now I'm glad I trusted my ears and kept the 8030C + sub combo and returned the Orbits.

Thanks for the review!
 
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