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Palmer ORBIT 11 Cardioid Coaxial 3-way studio monitor (MSRP 799€/899$)

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You have been a (very) active ASR member for almost six years. It is a categorical indictment of your intellect and/or character that you still cannot interpret the measurements enough to answer these very basic questions.
I asked about his subjective impressions.
It's ironic that you're talking about intellect and character when you don't understand something so basic and simple and use ad hominem against me.
 
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For the new owners of those speakers - is the hiss really an issue and what is your listening distance for your setup? Can you compare it to some other speakers you own/have owned? Thanks!
 
For the new owners of those speakers - is the hiss really an issue and what is your listening distance for your setup? Can you compare it to some other speakers you own/have owned? Thanks!
Thank you, @nbot, have a read of this post....

I have a pair of Orbits and I am sitting in front of them as I write this post. I can hear hiss when I put my ear close to the tweeter. From around 1m I can barely hear it and I have the pad set to minus 20 and they are connected to a Minidsp DDRC88A via XLR which is fed by a Denon 3800H via RCA. This is with 8v balanced output gain on the XLR which I am going to drop to 4v.

I am going to doing some measurements to tweak the position because nearfield measurements show they are positioned in a null and I will do some hiss measurements at the same time and post my results.

I have ordered some pseudo balanced RCA to XLR cables and I will also test them.
 
He's being optimitisc in thinking the future versions will have a lower hiss, let's hope he's right about it. That's apparently their only flow, appart of course from the low frequency distorsion which is physically hard to avoid with such small speakers.

What an in-depth and clear way he explained every graph. For anyone who struggles to understand all these measurement graphs, I suggest you look at this review using subtitles, as this reviewer is really good at simplifying what is seen in the graphs.

As for the Orbits, it's a shame they didn't get the self noise lower. And of course, I have never been a big fan of small speakers with way too low bass extension, making the distortion go through the roof already at relatively low levels.
 
As for the Orbits, it's a shame they didn't get the self noise lower. And of course, I have never been a big fan of small speakers with way too low bass extension, making the distortion go through the roof already at relatively low levels.
Usually, we aren't bothered by distortion in the sub bass region, and will prefer more bass over less bass. The tradeoff is just max output. But if using subs, this is mitigated.
 
I haven't been following this thread, what's going on?
I mean 90 pages /1786 posts. :oops: :)

Is it just about the Palmer ORBIT 11? Or are you hanging around this thread and talking in general about studio monitors and so on?
 
For the new owners of those speakers - is the hiss really an issue and what is your listening distance for your setup? Can you compare it to some other speakers you own/have owned? Thanks!

Whether it is a big issue or not is highly dependent on the level of the noise floor in your listening environment.
 
Thanks to Nuyes for the great video review. Despite a handful of small niggles, this is truly an exceptional offering for the price. I'm not sure that these would kick my KH 150s off of the desk, but if I were starting from scratch they would be a top contender. Hopefully they can address the self-noise in a future update/revision.
 
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In this Video @Nuyes analyzes the Palmer Orbit 11 active studio monitor, a speaker that has recently attracted a lot of attention in audio communities and is often described as a potential “game changer.”

Nuyes explains that this reputation mainly comes from the combination of several advanced design concepts at a very low price (under $800 per unit).

Design Concept

The Orbit 11 combines three technologies that normally appear only in much more expensive speakers:

  • 3-way coaxial design – the midrange and tweeter share the same acoustic axis to create a point-source behavior and precise imaging.
  • Cardioid radiation pattern – the speaker reduces sound radiation to the sides and rear to minimize room reflections.
  • Dual Opposed Subwoofer (DOS) – two woofers are mounted in opposite directions to cancel cabinet vibrations.
Comparable speakers using similar concepts include models from Genelec, Dutch & Dutch, Kii, and Barefoot, but those are usually far more expensive.

Because of this unusual feature set combined with a low price, the speaker has been widely discussed as a possible “bang-for-the-buck revolution.”

Measurement Results


Nuyes performs extensive measurements.

Frequency response

  • The on-axis response is very flat and well balanced.
  • Bass extension reaches roughly 26 Hz, which is remarkable for a speaker of this size.
Directivity

Measurements such as spinorama, contour plots, beamwidth, and polar plots show:

  • very consistent directivity
  • stable radiation from about 400 Hz up to the highest frequencies
  • effective cardioid behavior that reduces rear radiation.
Both horizontal and vertical dispersion are smooth, which is one of the typical advantages of coaxial designs.

Distortion

  • From about 70 Hz upward, distortion remains very low.
  • Below that frequency distortion rises significantly.
This is explained by the design:

  • two 8-inch woofers are placed in a very small enclosure
  • strong DSP bass boosting is used to achieve the unusually deep bass extension.
Despite this demanding setup, the speaker still shows impressive mechanical stability and remains relatively clean even at high levels.

Multitone distortion and compression measurements also indicate very solid performance, with distortion staying low even at high output levels around 96 dB.

The Fatal Drawback

Despite the excellent acoustic measurements, the reviewer identifies one major problem that does not appear in the performance graphs: self-noise (hiss).

When the speaker is turned on, the internal electronics generate audible background noise.

Measurements made with a microphone 10 cm from the speaker show that the Orbit 11 produces significantly more noise than several well-known monitors, including:

  • Neumann KH120A
  • Genelec 8030C
  • Kali Audio LP6
  • even a budget Edifier MR4
Lowering the output level reduces the hiss slightly, but it remains noticeably higher than competing products.

Conclusion

Nuyes concludes that the Palmer Orbit 11 is an extremely impressive and ambitious design:

  • excellent frequency response
  • very well controlled directivity
  • strong output capability
  • advanced engineering at a remarkably low price.
However, the high self-noise is considered a fatal flaw, especially for nearfield studio use.

Since one advantage of coaxial monitors is the ability to listen at very short distances, audible hiss undermines that benefit.

Therefore:

  • At longer listening distances (around 2.5–5 m) in normal living environments, the Orbit 11 could offer exceptional value for money.
  • For professional nearfield monitoring, the reviewer suggests waiting for a future revision with a lower noise floor.
 
Thanks for sharing the video.

Normally I would have posted the review first on my website(Audio-re) or here on ASR, but this time I wanted to try an experimental approach and publish it as a video first.

My apologies for not sharing it with the ASR community earlier.
I’ll also try to put together a proper write-up for ASR. :)
Wow, the noise floor is incredibly high on these. Definitely a big problem.

I saw in Stoneeh's review (which I can't seem to link now) that the low end rolls off quite a bit at higher levels - something like 3dB of compression below 40hz at 96dB SPL vs 76. Did you notice anything like that?
 
I saw in Stoneeh's review (which I can't seem to link now) that the low end rolls off quite a bit at higher levels - something like 3dB of compression below 40hz at 96dB SPL vs 76.
For a speaker this size with the intended use of nearfield monitoring I think this LF compression is a feature rather than a problem.
 
For a speaker this size with the intended use of nearfield monitoring I think this LF compression is a feature rather than a problem.
It's definitely not a feature, lol. Besides, the super high noise floor sort of precludes them from use particularly close up unless a constant PSSHHHHHH doesn't bother you.
 
It's definitely not a feature, lol. Besides, the super high noise floor sort of precludes them from use particularly close up unless a constant PSSHHHHHH doesn't bother you.
Thank you, @dfuller, Yes, the strong/full Bass is definitely a Plus (no Sub needed) and the FR confirms it, doesn't it :=)
A Conundrum/Dilemma.... the 1st Measure video does not mention Hiss, at all nor at any time, during the video/measureing? It is only mentioned, at the end, in the 2nd video/measureing?
 
I haven't been following this thread, what's going on?
I mean 90 pages /1786 posts. :oops: :)

Is it just about the Palmer ORBIT 11? Or are you hanging around this thread and talking in general about studio monitors and so on?
In french, which can be a very flowery language, we'd qualify this type of discussion as " enculer des mouches ", look it up.
Mostly talking about the very few minor defaults and getting lost in conjectures. It's a killer, a real market disruptor.
 
In french, which can be a very flowery language, we'd qualify this type of discussion as " enculer des mouches ", look it up.
Mostly talking about the very few minor defaults and getting lost in conjectures. It's a killer, a real market disruptor.
the literal translation is quite Vulgar, isn't it....
 
It's definitely not a feature, lol. Besides, the super high noise floor sort of precludes them from use particularly close up unless a constant PSSHHHHHH doesn't bother you.
I agree if these are used as nearfield monitors the "hiss" is an issue, but not sure if it is sample variation or just normal unreliability of "eyewitnesses" but not everyone is reporting the hiss as an issue. Individual sensitivity to noise like this varies, the endless debate about LP noise shows people's noise tolerance is all over the place.

I definitely think using well designed LF compression for a small nearfield monitor is a good design choice. Monitoring is typically done at 75dB to 85 dB so their LF performance is adequate for their intended use. As a bonus these speakers do OK at 96 dB except for the lowest frequencies. Rolling off or compressing the lowest frequencies at maximum volume is going to sound better than the drivers bottoming out or distortion spiking to over 100%. Ascilabs does this with some of their speakers as well. It is just good design and engineering.
 
In french, which can be a very flowery language, we'd qualify this type of discussion as " enculer des mouches ", look it up.
Mostly talking about the very few minor defaults and getting lost in conjectures. It's a killer, a real market disruptor.
They undeniably seem to be superb speakers. And in an appealing price range for many hi-fi enthusiasts.:)

enculer des mouches

We have the same saying, proverb in Swedish. :)
 
In this Video @Nuyes analyzes the Palmer Orbit 11 active studio monitor, a speaker that has recently attracted a lot of attention in audio communities and is often described as a potential “game changer.”

Nuyes explains that this reputation mainly comes from the combination of several advanced design concepts at a very low price (under $800 per unit).

Design Concept

The Orbit 11 combines three technologies that normally appear only in much more expensive speakers:

  • 3-way coaxial design – the midrange and tweeter share the same acoustic axis to create a point-source behavior and precise imaging.
  • Cardioid radiation pattern – the speaker reduces sound radiation to the sides and rear to minimize room reflections.
  • Dual Opposed Subwoofer (DOS) – two woofers are mounted in opposite directions to cancel cabinet vibrations.
Comparable speakers using similar concepts include models from Genelec, Dutch & Dutch, Kii, and Barefoot, but those are usually far more expensive.

Because of this unusual feature set combined with a low price, the speaker has been widely discussed as a possible “bang-for-the-buck revolution.”

Measurement Results


Nuyes performs extensive measurements.

Frequency response

  • The on-axis response is very flat and well balanced.
  • Bass extension reaches roughly 26 Hz, which is remarkable for a speaker of this size.
Directivity

Measurements such as spinorama, contour plots, beamwidth, and polar plots show:

  • very consistent directivity
  • stable radiation from about 400 Hz up to the highest frequencies
  • effective cardioid behavior that reduces rear radiation.
Both horizontal and vertical dispersion are smooth, which is one of the typical advantages of coaxial designs.

Distortion

  • From about 70 Hz upward, distortion remains very low.
  • Below that frequency distortion rises significantly.
This is explained by the design:

  • two 8-inch woofers are placed in a very small enclosure
  • strong DSP bass boosting is used to achieve the unusually deep bass extension.
Despite this demanding setup, the speaker still shows impressive mechanical stability and remains relatively clean even at high levels.

Multitone distortion and compression measurements also indicate very solid performance, with distortion staying low even at high output levels around 96 dB.

The Fatal Drawback

Despite the excellent acoustic measurements, the reviewer identifies one major problem that does not appear in the performance graphs: self-noise (hiss).

When the speaker is turned on, the internal electronics generate audible background noise.

Measurements made with a microphone 10 cm from the speaker show that the Orbit 11 produces significantly more noise than several well-known monitors, including:

  • Neumann KH120A
  • Genelec 8030C
  • Kali Audio LP6
  • even a budget Edifier MR4
Lowering the output level reduces the hiss slightly, but it remains noticeably higher than competing products.

Conclusion

Nuyes concludes that the Palmer Orbit 11 is an extremely impressive and ambitious design:

  • excellent frequency response
  • very well controlled directivity
  • strong output capability
  • advanced engineering at a remarkably low price.
However, the high self-noise is considered a fatal flaw, especially for nearfield studio use.

Since one advantage of coaxial monitors is the ability to listen at very short distances, audible hiss undermines that benefit.

Therefore:

  • At longer listening distances (around 2.5–5 m) in normal living environments, the Orbit 11 could offer exceptional value for money.
  • For professional nearfield monitoring, the reviewer suggests waiting for a future revision with a lower noise floor.
1. If you are going to use AI, make it absolutely clear up front before just copying and pasting AI content.

2. Show the prompt you used and the engine (ChatGPT, etc.). Both of these can be useful to understand how the answer came about.
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4. AI cannot be your sole post and certainly not the thread starter. You can use it as part of your post but not the entirety of it.
 
1. If you are going to use AI, make it absolutely clear up front before just copying and pasting AI content.

Well, didn't notice that, but I can't change it in the post anymore.

I gave ChatGPT version 5.4 Thinking the transcript of the video and asked for a summary, as @RickS requested—and I can't translate Korean.

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