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Palmer ORBIT 11 Cardioid Coaxial 3-way studio monitor (MSRP 799€/899$)

The ascilab hype and drama needed to go somewhere.
 
Det15 said:
He has entire portions of his house stacked up with cartons full of speaker boxes, has a 6-12 months backlog, but he goes out asking for new speakers to test because they're currently surrounded by clout / hype.

If that's not bias, I don't know what is.
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What does that have to do with "bias" ? He is providing data. Data on a speaker that has interest. Why wouldn't he prioritize that ? At least he is providing these measurements at all.
 
Can we drop the Erin talk and get back to hyping this product so few of us own?
 
Mort said:
Can we drop the Erin talk and get back to hyping this product so few of us own?
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Hype hype hype!
Rooting for this product, particularly as so many coaxials are NOT good (at least in terms of raw drivers and car audio; KEF and MoFi seem to have done OK.
 

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Head_Unit said:
Hype hype hype!
Rooting for this product, particularly as so many coaxials are NOT good (at least in terms of raw drivers and car audio; KEF and MoFi seem to have done OK.
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Comparing KEF and MoFi to studio nearfields uh
 
TimVG said:
But it is a double edged blade, as if the product is not well received, it can give market advantage to other brands. It makes complete sense to forward some products in the queue if there is already a lot of talk about it.
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Id say also his personal curiosity as everyone else, to see if the hipe is all true, right? :)
 
sidechain said:

New measurements video
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He's being optimitisc in thinking the future versions will have a lower hiss, let's hope he's right about it. That's apparently their only flow, appart of course from the low frequency distorsion which is physically hard to avoid with such small speakers.
 
Karmacoma said:
He's being optimitisc in thinking the future versions will have a lower hiss, let's hope he's right about it. That's apparently their only flow, appart of course from the low frequency distorsion which is physically hard to avoid with such small speakers.
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I’m perplexed about the hiss situation, some owners totally ignored to mention it or think it’s quite low and manageable. Are people deaf? It’s of course highly dependant on your overall room ambient noise, but still…
 
"They didn’t project the sound…" what does it even mean!?

It means that the wawe guide from the tweeter wich is the medium is changing of depth all the time. It isn't constant per construction. The louder you drive it the more incostant it will become.
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"Better at any volume that a coaxial, lol."

At any volume the conus depth of the medium speaker will change the wawe guide sound from the tweeter. At high level the tweeter sound is projected far before the sound stage.

It is just physic...
 
sidechain said:

New measurements video
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The unit arrived yesterday and I tested it. The hiss noise from the Orbit 11 is stronger than I expected. It’s a bit disappointing for near-field use. Would it help if Palmer reduced the overall amplifier output through a software update? I can still hear the hiss even from about 2.5 meters away.

If it is something Palmer can do, I believe they should at least try to address it.
@UffdiePalme
 
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smile nya said:
The unit arrived yesterday and I tested it. The hiss noise from the Orbit 11 is stronger than I expected. It’s a bit disappointing for near-field use. Would it help if Palmer reduced the overall amplifier output through a software update? I can still hear the hiss even from about 2.5 meters away.

If it is something Palmer can do, I believe they should at least try to address it.
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If they do address it with the next batch, i guess it would be a "quiet" upgrade (no pun intended), with regard from first batch owners and brand reputation. No idea what it would imply technically, if anyone knows you're welcome to elaborate on this.
Other than this, did you like them?
 
RexrothPigeon said:
the fact that most comparisons here are to speakers costing many multiples of the orbit's price is extremely revealing
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Of course, this speaker is outstanding. It has no real competitors at its price point. That’s why it’s such a shame—if the hiss noise were resolved, it would be close to perfect. They did such an excellent job overall that it’s unfortunate the hiss noise might cause them to miss out on demand from nearfield users.
 
If I am reading that graph right, the self noise levels are 10-15 db above a completely quiet room below 10 khz. In my situation, normal ambient noise is 20-25 db, and I can't hear anything above 10 khz anyway, so, personally I don't see how this could be a dealbreaker. And that self noise will certainly be masked when playing just about anything. It may make a difference in a professional application, but anyone just listening for enjoyment should not, I think, find it to be a dealbreaker, especially if they use the pad. Doesn't mean Palmer should not remedy it in their second batch, though.
 
smile nya said:
That’s why it’s such a shame—if the hiss noise were resolved, it would be close to perfect.
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There are several small complaints, this is just one (and the one you care about the most.)
 
you don't make a speaker at this price point without some compromises. each buyer, of course, has her own priority hierarchy, but the orbits make far fewer, far less intrusive compromises than the field. the path of expecting perfection from a budget product only has one destination: futilityville.
 
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