Palmer ORBIT 11 Cardioid Coaxial 3-way studio monitor (MSRP 799€/899$)

[Oboreal]

You got my point (even if you can use that as an effect if you record with proximity mics) but a lot of domestic rooms are not that far from this, particulary in the low frequencies.

A +/- 20 dB with a totally non linear RT is far more the rule than the exception.

 

[Karmacoma]

If your pair of speakers costs more than, say, 200 euros and was designed by a competent engineer, the room is always the weak link. If you have a cancellation at certain frequencies, no automatic calibration software will be able to fix it, because even with more than 10 dB of boost, it will still be there. If the dip is very narrow, you might not notice it while listening, but my experience measuring rooms shows that they are often wide enough to be clearly audible.

Moreover, if you have a one‑second decay in the low end, even the best DSP in the world won’t be able to do anything about the fact that you’ll have no definition in the bass.

Not convinced ? Try to sonorise a drum kit and a bass playing rock in a gymnasium and come back at me…

Now, why is it worse with speakers that go lower? I’ve explained this before, but reducing RT60 below 100 Hz becomes exponentially more complex as you approach 20 Hz. So what’s already difficult at 40 Hz becomes completely unmanageable below that, even with very advanced acoustic designs. So yes, if you buy this speakers to mix music and have a better translation than with less bass capable speakers, it may actually not be trivial at all. Of course, if you just want to enjoy a lot of bass extension, even if it's a little bit muddy and undefined, wich seem to be your case, what i explain doesn't apply to you !

Definitely convinced the dsp will be usefull and that you can set a high pass filter instead of throwing your great performance price ratio speakers away.

 

[90sNintendoKid]

I did some first set of measurements of the Orbits and something didn't seem right with the near field measurements. With the help of the Magic Beans Discord, I realised my speakers are in a null................I will be doing more measurements and experimenting tomorrow.

 

[Honken]

Is the "issue" right now that they're too accurate down low? Really? Since when is that a detriment to the people that frequent this forum? People tend to wax poetically over speakers that dig deep, and for good reason. Upstream correction to room modes simply is commonplace these days, and I'd much rather have room correction and capable speakers, over anemic speakers without any room correction.

Personally, I am looking forward to seeing these on the Klippel, and hearing them in person. It seems like while the cost is much lower, these might be an upgrade to my KH310s. I held off ordering the Ascilab C8Cs because I wanted to see what their larger model would perform like, but the Orbits have piqued my interest as much as that model has.

 

[nbot]

Personally, I am looking forward to seeing these on the Klippel, and hearing them in person. It seems like while the cost is much lower, these might be an upgrade to my KH310s. I held off ordering the Ascilab C8Cs because I wanted to see what their larger model would perform like, but the Orbits have piqued my interest as much as that model has.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. Was considering C8C but they are too big and too heavy for my very limited space. You may also want to wait for KH310 mk2 which apparently is going to be released before the Q3 but damn those speakers look really nice. I'm only slighly concerned with the hiss as I'm planning to use them as nearfields

 

[tonyrob]

Same boat here. If Orbit 11 can match ~90% performance of C8C at 1/3 price, 4mx5m room, 3.5 distance, definitely go with Orbit.

 

[phoenixdogfan]

I don't think there's any question that curing room nulls on a speaker system that digs as deep as the Palmer has a very limited set of options, many of them quite expensive and impractical. But that's hardly news. I've been using Dirac in a small room with two SVS 2000's and while it won't cure the nasty null I have at around 50 hz, it very effectively addresses any number of standing wave peaks--it cuts them right down to size. I'm sure it would very successfully do the same thing if I swap out the Orbit 11s for my LS 50 Metas. I would probably even keep the subs and cross them over at around 100 hz, because so much of the data seems to indicate they start to peter out and/or distort below that frequency. The exciting part for me is I am obtaining access to Dirac ART. In what will be a 5.2 system, I will be able to use my subs and other speakers to support the Palmers (if I get them) and possibly suppress a ton of room resonances below 200-250 hz while the cardoid will help with that above 250 hz. My listening distance is around 50 inches from the acoustic center of my LS 50 Metas, so something like I am envisioning here could be a match made in heaven. Oh, and it seems like that system would play cleanly to 100 db much the same as the C8c just reviewed here.

 

[Tachyon88]

Erin says they're sending him a pair.

 

[staticV3]

Hi amigos,

Since I haven't specifically checked all the pages, I'm sharing a link I found with real-world measurements of the Orbit 11.
It can be observed that the data shared by Palmer appears to correlate well with measurements in a real-world environment.


PART 1 :

PART 2 :

Rarely a bad idea to search the YouTube URL first to avoid reposting: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?search/48615962/&q=FECSKWpsGHU&o=relevance

 

[Det15]

Erin says they're sending him a pair.

He has entire portions of his house stacked up with cartons full of speaker boxes, has a 6-12 months backlog, but he goes out asking for new speakers to test because they're currently surrounded by clout / hype.

If that's not bias, I don't know what is.

 

[denork]

Currently, in my home studio, I have Focal Shape 65s, and I'm very happy with them. I know that what I hear here will translate well across all systems. I have quite a bit of acoustic treatment; the TR is very controlled down to 150Hz and fairly controlled down to 100Hz, and Dirac Live does a great job. When I need to work in detail on the bass, I use headphones.

I'm not sure if it would be better for me to add a subwoofer or switch to Orbit 11s. Any suggestions?

 

[Mart68]

He has entire portions of his house stacked up with cartons full of speaker boxes, has a 6-12 months backlog, but he goes out asking for new speakers to test because they're currently surrounded by clout / hype.

If that's not bias, I don't know what is.

His site is commercial so it's sensible for him to prioritise testing what people are currently interested in.

 

[Det15]

Same boat here. If Orbit 11 can match ~90% performance of C8C at 1/3 price, 4mx5m room, 3.5 distance, definitely go with Orbit.

Can you currently buy either of them? (meaning are they in stock anywhere)

 

[Det15]

His site is commercial so it's sensible for him to prioritise testing what people are currently interested in.

He is claiming neutrality and objectivity, is he not?

Giving more recognized or better marketed brands or products preferential treatment via accelerated review schedules is not neutral and objective.

 

[staticV3]

He is claiming neutrality and objectivity, is he not?

No matter what he is or isn't claiming to be, his NFS spits out unbiased data

 

[Pearljam5000]

I this the most hyped speaker ever on ASR?

 

[Ogremic]

He is claiming neutrality and objectivity, is he not?

Giving more recognized or better marketed brands or products preferential treatment via accelerated review schedules is not neutral and objective.

Why not? There's always an advantage of clicks and revenue if you're the first or at the beginning of the hype wave. For him it's better to release a review of a wanted speaker instead of a very niche on. It's not like he posts a complete list of speakers that are about to be reviewed and their ordering number

 

[Det15]

Why not? There's always an advantage of clicks and revenue

And again, that's neither objective nor neutral.

 

[Pearljam5000]

And again, that's neither objective nor neutral.

It's his own channel, he can do whatever he wants

 

[Ogremic]

And again, that's neither objective nor neutral.

I do not agree. He does not have a contractual obligation to present the speakers in the order he receives. The objectivity is imparted by his measurements, that's all we care. And if he can manage to measure a speaker faster, because there's a temporary hype, then good for him and for us also