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Palmer ORBIT 11 Cardioid Coaxial 3-way studio monitor (MSRP 799€/899$)

IngMishael said:
it is almost always improper gain with most of "hiss and noise" complaints
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Acoustics engineer did all the patching both here and the studio.. so no problem with gain.. im gonna wiggle the monitors eq see if it passiguate it.. or i might seat further way i guess..
 
olieb said:
Hm, I do not know what you hear and I do not know what you measure. 40+dB at 1m is certainly not the hiss you didi not hear from excitement the first time, but probably the low frequency dominated room noise (You might wanna measure with the speakers off for comparison.).
@BVK, @Purité Audio, @stoneeh, and @TimVG all wrote about their hearing experience and nobody mentioned hiss of the kind impossible to withstand.
Maybe you first check your setup (PAD setting) and at least unplug the inputs?
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I saw they're coments, but none wrote about long exposure to a near listening position..
 
BVK said:
I A/B'd them with no room correction, room correction with no target curve and the target curve which I usually end up preferring, which is a +1,5dB shelf below 100Hz and -0,5dB at 2,4kHz. Room correction was limited under 3khz, as there are some minor adjustments needed in the 1-3kHz area but above that things are peachy. I also tried the Orbits with the correction limited to under 1kHz.

While it may well be the case that I didn't get the full potential out of the Orbits, I gave them enough time to know full well if I personally wanted to work on them. I hope they measure well and I don't doubt it, as they would be a great option for many out there considering the price point. However, I once again emphasize that speaker preference is very much a personal thing, as is evident from you considering the 8030's a polite sounding speaker and unsuitable for mixing, which quite on the contrary from most colleagues I know, and I don't think that was the conclusion in Amir's tests either. Not saying they're my favorite monitor of all time, not by a long shot - I've used and heard plenty I've liked more, including the full Genelec lineup at their factory, but they're a speaker that work well in this room and translate to the outside world (in other words the consumer listening to the albums) nicely.
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Fair enough, thank you for commenting. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't say the 8030 is unsuitable for mixing, it's a very good monitor - add a sub (or multiple) and you have a very capable full range system. When attempting to compare speakers that all measure well however, you have to bring those differences under words somehow. To me the Orbits have more clarity, and I feel like I'd be able to make certain decisions on them easier. The right choice is whatever you feel more comfortable with in the end. Due to time constraints I recently mixed an entire (archival) live recording on 8020s (no subs) on location, I checked out the finished product on my main set and luckily everything translated well. Knowing your gear is a big part of the equation.
 
TimVG said:
Fair enough, thank you for commenting. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't say the 8030 is unsuitable for mixing, it's a very good monitor - add a sub (or multiple) and you have a very capable full range system. When attempting to compare speakers that all measure well however, you have to bring those differences under words somehow. To me the Orbits have more clarity, and I feel like I'd be able to make certain decisions on them easier. The right choice is whatever you feel more comfortable with in the end. Due to time constraints I recently mixed an entire (archival) live recording on 8020s (no subs) on location, I checked out the finished product on my main set and luckily everything translated well. Knowing your gear is a big part of the equation.
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Absolutely, agreed. Despite my subjective feelings towards the Orbits I am a man of science and I never discredit measurable data, but I'm also well aware that no matter how well a speaker performs, there's always someone who can't consistently put out quality work on them while they can on other setups, which in turn might be perceived horrible to others and measure quite badly. Why that is so is beyond my expertise and knowledge. One of my favorite reference metal albums was mixed on a pair of Behringer Truth 2031A's suspended from the ceiling on metal chains and god knows the engineer could've afforded better :D

Again, I have no doubt the Orbits will perform well in Amir's measurements and I actually really hope they do, as that would undeniably put some serious pressure on other manufacturers. In all honesty I'm bummed I didn't like them, as the next candidates for testing are way pricier.
 
SUNS said:
I saw they're coments, but none wrote about long exposure to a near listening position..
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You didn't actually reply to anyone asking about your setup. Even audio engineers sometimes do improper setups.

Disconnect the signal cables, try different settings for the PAD and reavaluate the noise floor. Report your findings then.
 
Price is already low enough to justify some compromises.
Way pricier monitors do hiss, what were the genelecs at diy audio which their internal amps measured into the 70-80 dBr THD+N, noise dominated?

For the ones that can't stand hiss (me included) this can be a major no.
But I do agree, the different experience here amongst users indicate not optimal gain-staging probably.
 
As promised, Part 2 of the review.

Contents:

- vertical directivity
- full CTA-2034 data ("Spinorama")
- compression behavior
- max. SPL in the low bass region evaluation & comparison
- manufacturer EQ data verification
- hiss evaluation
- power consumption
- heat generation

See on youtube.
 
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Pearljam5000 said:
How is it possible to check?
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Go see a specialist. They’ll put you in a dark isolation booth with a pair of testing headphones and a remote trigger and assess any problem areas in your hearing as well as print out a proper frequency response graph for you.

If you want a rough idea on how high your hearing goes, you can do it at home with a KNOWN WORKING SIGNAL GENERATOR and a pair of headphones that you know you can actually trust in the high frequency range. Out of curiosity I tried a random youtube test video and thought I had managed to fry my ears due to very dramatic inconsistencies between my ears and 7,5kHz disappearing completely. I then checked with a signal generator and turned out it was all in the video.

But yeah. Go see a specialist.
 
BVK said:
Go see a specialist. They’ll put you in a dark isolation booth with a pair of testing headphones and a remote trigger and assess any problem areas in your hearing as well as print out a proper frequency response graph for you.

If you want a rough idea on how high your hearing goes, you can do it at home with a KNOWN WORKING SIGNAL GENERATOR and a pair of headphones that you know you can actually trust in the high frequency range. Out of curiosity I tried a random youtube test video and thought I had managed to fry my ears due to very dramatic inconsistencies between my ears and 7,5kHz disappearing completely. I then checked with a signal generator and turned out it was all in the video.

But yeah. Go see a specialist.
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Thanks
 
stoneeh said:
As promised, Part 2 of the review.

Contents:

- vertical directivity
- full CTA-2034 data ("Spinorama")
- compression behavior
- max. SPL in the low bass region evaluation & comparison
- manufacturer EQ data verification
- hiss evaluation
- power consumption
- heat generation

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Thank you for going above and beyond!
 
Probably a bit too mid forward if you're leaving near field too much, otherwise impressive
 
zequence said:
To get a rough assessment you can use a sinus tone generator with frequency control.
I usually build this with puredata myself.

All though 10k seems pretty low compared to 20k, it's only one octave below.
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I did that and turns out I'm up to 12k. Old age is a bitch. :confused:
 
Specsavers in the uk does it.. So.. I've checked everything unplugged from the speakers other than power which is conected to a power leveling and surge protection split also tetsed plugged straight to different sockets both at home and in the studio.. it is internal amp noise.. everything as "factory" on the monitor itself.. i have to say if you hearing still good or you have bad tinnitus, do sit further than 1.5m.. cause you will hear it in a quiet room..
That's that..
 
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stoneeh said:
As promised, Part 2 of the review.

Contents:

- vertical directivity
- full CTA-2034 data ("Spinorama")
- compression behavior
- max. SPL in the low bass region evaluation & comparison
- manufacturer EQ data verification
- hiss evaluation
- power consumption
- heat generation

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I desagree about the not audible hiss at 1.3 meters.. i can hear it clearly in a quite room.. bothing pluged to it.. just internal noise..
 
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