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Palmer ORBIT 11 Cardioid Coaxial 3-way studio monitor (MSRP 799€/899$)

There are literally tens of thousands of great-sounding reference tracks mixed on loudspeakers that would never score highly in objective measurements
So? How do you know they wouldn't be even better with proper studio monitors? Or produced faster.
. There you have your metrics, and those tracks are most likely among your favorite best-sounding audio productions you have ever heard in your life.
Who says they are "best sounding?" Based on what comparison in what controlled testing?
And do you want to know why that is? It's because those loudspeakers just happened to work great for those audio engineers mixing those songs.
That is not why they are, i.e. the speakers. You have no idea or testing as to what role those speakers played or didn't play in such mixes.

This is all bunch of suppositions, never put to testing in a controlled environment to determine the role of the monitors used. This makes what you claim folklore.
 
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The burden of proof is actually on anyone certain that objectively better loudspeakers will generally lead to better music mixes.
You made the claim. You need to prove it. If you have no data, or research to back it, then you need to remain silent on the issue. Not make the broad claim that you made.

Where are those audio productions that are head and shoulders above the ones made on the awful Yamaha NS-10s or any other similarly "lousy" loudspeakers?
There are likely a ton but we would never know it because your industry doesn't do a modicum of research to see how your tools impact your work.

Until then, we need to follow a standard that allows us, as consumers to better able to hear what you are producing. And that calls for having same measurements we use in sound reproduction, used in music production. Anything else is illogical and fallacies used to promote personal subjective positions with no merit.
 
There's the typical clash between the analytical, and the more HiFi sounding speakers and that is definitely a thing that divides people.
In controlled testing, such a divide does not exist. In subjectivist, opinion based world, yes. But not in fact based one.

I have such a hi-fi speaker. But if I had to do it again, I would have been seriously tempted to get the Genelec 8361A.
 
If I had a set of these I could do the measurements and design the printing file, but you might be right that the current overlap is zero.

To anyone reading at Palmer: I would be more than happy to create a printable orange ring cover if you let me borrow... and keep a pair... ;) @UffdiePalme

For my audio related 3D printing credentials, please see the diffuser thread. :) https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/3d-printing-a-qrd-n53-diffuser.54930/

I do agree with @levimax and @SUNS that there may be simpler solutions. The problem with sharpie is that it won't be fully opaque. I think vinyl would work, but either you have to cut it in place (might be tricky) or you need access to a vinyl cutter, which is even less common than a 3D printer. I also think affixing a pre-cut adhesive vinyl ring might be tricky. The advantage of a 3D printed part would be rigidity, so aligning by hand it would be easier.

The disadvantage of a 3D printed part would be that it would be somewhat raised above the surface, causing unwanted diffraction, so you might design it to be a bit wider than the ring, with a smoothed profile, to try and mitigate that.
Re: Sharpie not fully opaque: Nail polish?
 
Re: Sharpie not fully opaque: Nail polish?
I have had pretty good luck with Sharpies for situations like this. If you go over it 2 or 3 times I think the orange would cover up up pretty well, especially for a small area like this. It is a LOT easier and faster than precision measurements and 3d printing or paint or nail polish. If it doesn't work you can try something else more invasive. YMMV.
 
I have had pretty good luck with Sharpies for situations like this. If you go over it 2 or 3 times I think the orange would cover up it up pretty well, especially for a small area like this. It is a LOT easier and faster than precision measurements and 3d printing or paint or nail polish. YMMV.
It would probably void the 5 year garantee, thats why we're trying to avoid sharpies of nail polish
 
Re: Sharpie not fully opaque: Nail polish?
I don't have a steady enough hand with paint (I say nail polish counts as a type of paint here) to want to try that, but I guess it would work. I think one already knows if they feel confident enough to paint the front of their speaker...
 
It's never too late Amir! Or is it?
If they ever die, and I can't get parts, then I will move on. Otherwise, it is my Will that they will be buried next to me!!!
 
Regarding the never ending orange ring cosmetics- Perhaps the ring is a seperate piece, press fitted with friction and can be simply prised out with a plastic tool and removed? I wouldn't bother but maybe others would. ::shrug::
 
Regarding the never ending orange ring cosmetics- Perhaps the ring is a seperate piece, press fitted with friction and can be simply prised out with a plastic tool and removed? I wouldn't bother but maybe others would. ::shrug::

What are the chances? This whole range of speakers has orange rings around the drivers and cabinet….
Perhaps a trend is in the making. Either way, I hope these speakers survive and get measured, they seem like all most people would ever need at a reasonable price.
 
What you've said is that a good workman may be able to work with bad tools, not that the same person would not be able to do better with better tools.

No, what I said was that the tool the mixing engineer has found works best for him, is the best tool for him no matter how they measure.

Your “bad” is someone else's “good”. That's why you see so many different loudspeakers in studios, and probably many you consider bad based on your own taste, or based on objective measurements.
 
No, what I said was that the tool the mixing engineer has found works best for him, is the best tool for him no matter how they measure.

Your “bad” is someone else's “good”. That's why you see so many different loudspeakers in studios, and probably many you consider bad based on your own taste, or based on objective measurements.

Apologies for being both a newb here and butting in. Just wanted to say that I generally agree with what I think your point is.

What I think a lot of people are missing is that the creative process is not a monolithic one where everyone that records, mixes and masters music or post (sound to picture) benefits equally from having "the best" measuring speakers. It's simply not the case. We pick different speakers for different reasons at different times. I have 25 years as an engineer, starting with recording and mixing music for post and then focusing on the non-music post portion and in my experience there is a lot more to it than just what measures best. I suppose a counter-argument would be that ideally we'd have infinite resources and create the infinitely perfect speaker and then that would be great for anyone, but since that's not reality we're living with compromises. Then again, like I said, I think choices go beyond that. We're not dealing with recording, mixing, mastering and distributing sine sweeps to people, we're dealing with creative people that (hopefully) create art, or at least something tangential to it.

The engineer brain is great for some things and not so great for others.
 
Otherwise, it is my Will that they will be buried next to me!!!
Well, that's a very unusual request. It would probably be impossible to implement in Germany, because there are quite strict rules for burials here and even regulations for cemeteries. On the other hand, a large loudspeaker is of course ideal for use as a coffin if the deceased is the right size, because the shape is largely identical.
Be that as it may, may you live a long life and may your family only have to think about how to fulfill your funeral wishes in the distant future.
 
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