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Palmer ORBIT 11 Cardioid Coaxial 3-way studio monitor (MSRP 799€/899$)

I think it's quite possible they're deliberately taking less margin than normal so they can make a splash in the monitor market
Certainly.
Palmer is one of Adam Hall Group's companies, the entire group has about 400 employees. Not a small company, but hardly a conglomerate either.
What they do have is a global distribution network and established manufacturing in China. Regardless of funding, that's a huge advantage over a startup.

they're aligning to the tariff rates in real time
They're talking about Europe, not whatever Trump is doing ... which apparently is now just stealing 10 billion of your tax dollars for his private use.
 
Do you know how many amplifiers and what the spec of each of these are that are driving each individual driver?
I am begging everyone joining this thread: read the thread, and read the links from the thread to product pages, etc. THEN ask clarifying questions if need be.

If you are interested in buying these, then take the time to do the research.

Please.
 
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I am begging everyone joining this thread: read the thread, and read the links from the thread to product pages, etc. THEN ask clarifying questions if need be.

If you are interested in buying these, then take the time to do the research.

Please.
Ha, on the Internet. Precious.
 
Certainly.
Palmer is one of Adam Hall Group's companies, the entire group has about 400 employees. Not a small company, but hardly a conglomerate either.
What they do have is a global distribution network and established manufacturing in China. Regardless of funding, that's a huge advantage over a startup.


They're talking about Europe, not whatever Trump is doing ... which apparently is now just stealing 10 billion of your tax dollars for his private use.
I know they are. Sigh...I apologize for my dad joke.
 
The closer the side woofers are to the midwoofer, the more effective the cardioid effect.

If you look at other cardioid monitors, you'll see the side woofers/vents are always pushed as close as possible to the front baffle.
I don't believe this is the reason. All the communication we've seen suggest that the cardioid effect is achieved with the vents only, and that the side woofers play no role in it. If both the side woofers and the vent had a role in the cardioid effect, it would be the first time I see such a thing and there would be reason to say something else than "the crossover is at 250 Hz".

The passthrough latency I measured on my WiiM Mini (see here), WiiM Amp Pro and WiiM Amp Ultra was around 50-55ms.
So I expect WiiM Ultra should be similar.
That's rough, unusable for anything other than music.
 
I don't believe this is the reason. All the communication we've seen suggest that the cardioid effect is achieved with the vents only, and that the side woofers play no role in it. If both the side woofers and the vent had a role in the cardioid effect, it would be the first time I see such a thing and there would be reason to say something else than "the crossover is at 250 Hz".

Yep, I'd think the cardioid vents have to be for the mid section only, and not for interplay with the sub section.

How do you have a truly sealed sub, that also has vents (for whatever purpose?)
 
I'm intrigued...why useless streaming tech?
and when you say useless volume knob, do you mean that functionally? if so, why?
This is all from the viewpoint of a professional mastering engineer looking for a room correction solution for his workplace: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/palmer-orbit-11-cardioid-coaxial-3-way-studio-monitor-msrp-799€-899.69461/post-2526607

Bwaslo suggested the WiiM Ultra, I noted that it's not a good fit for that purpose, Pearljam asked why, and I listed those reasons.
 
Where in Berlin can the Orbit 11 be listened to? I will go there for a short vacation in a few weeks.
 
Where in Berlin can the Orbit 11 be listened to? I will go there for a short vacation in a few weeks.
somewhere in the first 4 pages of this forum the guy from Palmer tells someone where the factory is located, i tried to find it but i couldn't so check it for yourself
 
Pretty sure the taper is there just to get the Coax drive unit nested as close as possible to the woofer magnets.
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The angle is determined by the draft angle in aluminum die casting. I have been working in development for over three decades, and depending on the depth and surface structure, you need an angle of 1-3 degrees. If you want to increase the service life of the tools or have very structured surfaces, an angle of up to 5 degrees is preferable. And no, I didn't use AI this time either, in case anyone wants to ask me about it again. I know why I'm usually just a lurker on forums.
 
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somewhere in the first 4 pages of this forum the guy from Palmer tells someone where the factory is located, i tried to find it but i couldn't so check it for yourself

I have read every page in this thread but I don't remember that part. I will look for it.
 
somewhere in the first 4 pages of this forum the guy from Palmer tells someone where the factory is located
As far as I'm aware, there's no city called Berlin in China where these speakers are made. So the factory is probably a bit out of the way for @goat76 :)

The major music stores like Thomann should have these in stock in a couple weeks, you can probably try them out there. Most remaining stores are in the west and south, don't know if there's anything left in Berlin.
 
I have read every page in this thread but I don't remember that part. I will look for it.
He deleted that comment, I also checked again for you. He also invited a guy to come and visit them for testing... I saw this a day ago
As far as I'm aware, there's no city called Berlin in China where these speakers are made. So the factory is probably a bit out of the way for @goat76 :)

The major music stores like Thomann should have these in stock in a couple weeks, you can probably try them out there. Most remaining stores are in the west and south, don't know if there's anything left in Berlin.
The guy from Palmer deleted that comment, they have offices in germany.. Palmer and Adam Hall
 
Where in Berlin can the Orbit 11 be listened to? I will go there for a short vacation in a few weeks.
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FIR can correct for phase independently of amplitude. Typically EQ cannot (please let's not start on allpass filter banks). That's the major difference. FIR is also always guaranteed to be stable, IIR (EQ) is not. The only drawback with FIR design is the latency, especially when correcting low frequency response. But there are processing techniques that can improve on that (mainly up- and downsampling the filter). 4ms is pretty good for a full range design.

Your point about room response is correct, but it's kind of moot since it applies to any speaker setup. If your room has challenging low end response, you can always high pass your speakers to get them to play only in the non-critical range. It's not a speaker specific issue.

I need to push back on a few points here, because several concepts are being mixed together, and that’s could creates confusion.

First, opposing EQ and FIR doesn’t make sense. FIR filters are simply one of the filter technologies used inside EQs. Yes, a FIR filter can be designed as a phase‑only correction, but in any real crossover you will almost always use steep high‑pass and low‑pass filters plus driver‑specific spectral corrections, because no raw driver is perfectly linear. In other words, you end up doing EQ anyway. So framing FIR vs EQ as if they were opposites is just incorrect.

Where the distinction does make sense is FIR vs IIR, because these are fundamentally different filter designs with different strengths and weaknesses. And while you’re right about FIR latency in the low end, you’re overlooking the fact that IIR filters have real advantages whenever you’re not using extreme slopes. Trying to fully linearize low‑frequency phase with FIR can easily introduce audible pre‑ringing, which in some cases is worse than the minimum‑phase rotation of an IIR filter. So no, FIR is not automatically the better choice, and certainly not “regardless of latency.”

And of course the speaker’s low‑frequency extension affects how it excites room modes. Pretending otherwise is unrealistic. Of course, all full‑range loudspeakers will run into this issue. The difference is that they’re usually very expensive and therefore mostly used in professional setups with proper treatment, not in bedroom studios. That’s exactly why the Palmer Orbit 11 may create challenges that are far less common in typical home environments.

Applying a high‑pass filter is not consequence‑free either—especially if you do it with a FIR high pass filter, because you’re adding significant latency just to remove bass you don’t need. The theoretical minimum is already around 12.5 ms to high‑pass at 40 Hz at 96 kHz, and that’s with minimal margin. You end up with around 20 ms latency wich is too much to monitor when recording any instrument. On top of that, a speaker designed to go very low usually makes trade‑offs elsewhere—heavier moving mass, different motor design, etc.—which inevitably affects how it behaves higher up.

None of this is a deal‑breaker. The speaker still looks extremely compelling in many respects. But it’s simply not obvious that a full‑range monitor will behave well in a domestic room, and buying one without measuring the room first is risky. You may not be able to take advantage of the extended low end at all, or worse, it may create more problems than it solves.
 
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I've been playing around with the idea over the past few weeks of upgrading my desktop setup to Neumann KH120II or KH150's for the better THD and low freq performance. Then I notice this thread for the first time and now I'm itching to pull the trigger on these instead. Just need to wait a few more weeks for that review...
 
I've been playing around with the idea over the past few weeks of upgrading my desktop setup to Neumann KH120II or KH150's for the better THD and low freq performance. Then I notice this thread for the first time and now I'm itching to pull the trigger on these instead. Just need to wait a few more weeks for that review...
Don't buy based on hype. Wait for the data. Even a month isn't a long time. It's better to wait than to regret wasting money and time later.
 
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