Palmer ORBIT 11 Cardioid Coaxial 3-way studio monitor (MSRP 799€/899$)

[RT.]

I doubt they will sound anything like Genelec/Neumann
But they're great value in any case

Let’s see what the outcome of the Klippel is. Maybe it is even better than we doubt. But even if it would come only close it would be a great offer for some of us.

 

[sidechain]

Sooooo... Back to topic, what are the orange ring measurements?

 

[DschayAge]

I understand if this were a German-speaking forum, but is it really that difficult to translate the text before posting it? English isn't my native language, but I do take the trouble to translate my texts before posting them. I might be having a bad day, but I consider it disrespectful.

You’re absolutely right!
That definitely wasn’t meant to come across the wrong way — I just wanted to share my experience in my own words.
I’ve revised everything and written it in English.

 

[Matt_Holland]

"Advanced low-end design improves wall coupling and reduces cancelations"
What does it mean?

My guess is that they’re referring to cardioid emission.

 

[dickiefunk]

Yes, there are openings on all 4 sides of the front. Therefore we recommend placing them with nothing blocking the baffle for best performance.

Would it be okay to place these on the shelf on my desk?

 

[Bwaslo]

Sooooo... Back to topic, what are the orange ring measurements?

Seriously, a good question. What is outer diameter and inner diameter of it? While I have to wait a month for the speakers I can get the 3d printer busy.

 

[RT.]

Sooooo... Back to topic, what are the orange ring measurements?

I do like the orange ring. It fits the design perfectly.

 

[dfuller]

Yes, the Genelec 7360A can be used as an active crossover. It is specifically designed to manage the crossover frequency (Bass Management) for your connected satellite speakers.
Here is how the system works:

• Active Bass Management: The 7360A features built-in active crossovers and a Bass Management System that splits the incoming audio signal.
• Signal Routing: You route the audio signal from your source (interface/preamp) into the subwoofer's inputs. The signal is then sent to your main monitors via the 7.1 analog XLR outputs.
• Relieving the Satellites: The subwoofer handles all low frequencies below the crossover point, which reduces the excursion load on your satellite speakers. This results in better clarity and higher overall system output.
• Configuration & Control:
  • Manual Mode: In standalone mode, the subwoofer typically uses a fixed 85 Hzcrossover for the analog channels.
  • GLM Software: Using the Genelec Loudspeaker Manager (GLM) software, you can precisely adjust the crossover frequency, level, and phase to perfectly match your room's acoustics.
• Versatility: This setup works for both analog systems and digital workflows using the AES/EBUinputs/outputs.

In short, the 7360A acts as a "Smart Active Subwoofer" that serves as the central crossover hub for 2.1 to 7.1 monitoring setups.

The Neumann KH 750 DSP functions similarly to the Genelec 7360A, acting as an active crossover and central hub for bass management.

Core Crossover Functionality
The KH 750 DSP uses a built-in 2.0/0.1 Bass Manager to split incoming signals.

• Active High-Pass: It routes a high-pass filtered signal (typically 80 Hz) to the connected satellite speakers through its balanced XLR outputs.
• Fixed vs. Adjustable: By default, the crossover frequency is fixed at 80 Hz (4th order, 24 dB/octave slope). However, when using the Neumann.Control iPad app, this can be adjusted between 60 Hz and 100 Hz.

Connectivity and Processing

• Signal Path: It features two balanced XLR inputs and two balanced XLR outputs for satellites.
• Digital I/O: It includes a digital BNC input (AES3/S/PDIF) that supports up to 192 kHz/24-bit.
• DSP Power: A key feature is its internal DSP, which can linearize the phase of connected analog Neumann monitors (like the KH 120 or KH 310), effectively turning them into "phase-linear" systems.

System Alignment
While it works out-of-the-box with manual switches, its full potential is unlocked via software:

• MA 1 Automatic Monitor Alignment: Using the optional MA 1 Measurement Microphone and software, the subwoofer can automatically calibrate itself and the connected satellites to your specific room acoustics.
• Non-Neumann Satellites: You can use the KH 750 with other monitor brands by routing them through its outputs, though the specific FIR phase correction presets are optimized for Neumann models.

In summary, the KH 750 DSP is a high-performance active crossover that unburdens your main monitors from low-frequency tasks, increasing their maximum SPL and reducing distortion.

Addition:

From my experience point of view you should not split the signal above 85 Hz, since above this frequency you will be able to hear the separate positioning of the sub.

Can we not just copy/paste chatgpt please?

 

[Salt]

I hope you enjoy your new speakers.
I would love to hear them, but I won't be buying them because I already have too many speakers.
Have fun with them!

Definition of 'Too Many Speakers".
I'm just below 1 dozen, but if we ask @mhardy6647 ?

 

[Salt]

Would it be okay to place these on the shelf on my desk?

There's a 'Desk' setting available in the menue, so yes.

 

[RT.]

Can we not just copy/paste chatgpt please?

As I mentioned I did not use a KI. I did copy text out of the homepage from audiopro (the main Genelec distributor in Germany) and directly from the Neumann homepage as I mentioned already earlier. I think that was ok since it saved me a lot of writing while the information was correct. But as mentioned let’s stop this discussion within this thread as highlighted by other users.

 

[Salt]

Seriously, a good question. What is outer diameter and inner diameter of it? While I have to wait a month for the speakers I can get the 3d printer busy.

Aproxx. metric

 

[sidechain]

Aproxx. metric
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So inner diameter 0.5 cm, outer diameter 14.5cm. Am I wrong?

 

[mhardy6647]

Definition of 'Too Many Speakers".
I'm just below 1 dozen, but if we ask @mhardy6647 ?

Yeah -- I don't count them.

 

[Grimoire]

So inner diameter 0.5 cm, outer diameter 14.5cm. Am I wrong?

Yes, by a wide margin.

 

[Ciobi69]

I doubt they will sound anything like Genelec/Neumann
But they're great value in any case

You can’t say it before the klippel

 

[Krusty09]

If they come back from testing and they dont do well will you still enjoy them?

 

[Liftro]

You’re absolutely right!
That definitely wasn’t meant to come across the wrong way — I just wanted to share my experience in my own words.
I’ve revised everything and written it in English.

Thank you for taking the time. From my own experience, sometimes the translator doesn't accurately convey what I want to express, so if I'm the one translating, I can find different words to describe what I want to share. I know we're not talking about NASA technology, and I would probably understand your post, but this way you can ensure everything is correct and that what you write reaches more people, and we can have a conversation.

 

[DSJR]

50%? I am not aware of any speaker company offering such generous margins.

I can think of three straight off over these parts, but it's sales-volume related I recall.

 

[Liftro]

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I’ve had many speakers in my arsenal already…
Genelec 8030C
Genelec 8050B
Nubert NuVero 60
Nubert NuVero Nova 5
Nubert NuVero Nova 9
JBL 305P
Quadral Aurum Sedan
Monoprice Monolith 365C
Everything Klipsch has to offer (I still use them in my home theater)
KEF R300
KEF LS50
KS Digital C8
Arendal Sound 1723 Monitor THX and many more…
So I’ve been able to listen to and experiment with quite a lot in my own home.

Now, onto the Palmer.

Bass:
The deepest bass foundation I’ve ever heard from a bookshelf speaker!
My colleague walked over to my sub three times to check whether it was actually turned on… (ELAC 2070.2)
The precision, the punch — incredible.

Mids:
Absolutely outstanding — especially deep male voices are reproduced with complete authenticity.

Highs:
Highly detailed and unbelievably spacious!

And what’s amazing: they simply sound soft — never harsh or sharp!

All in all, this is the speaker that has given me the most convincing and best overall listening experience I’ve ever had!

Pros:
• Built like a tank (for me, even better than Genelec)
• Bass that seems to defy the laws of physics
• Small! Roughly 30 × 30 × 20 cm in size and still weighs 14 kg
• Price… €800 feels like a gift
• Adjustable via the top panel
• Very spacious and silky listening experience, without sounding muffled
• Very low self-noise (on par with Genelec)

Cons:
• No automatic power on/off
• Bass is hard to tame (at least in my room)
• Without the miniDSP with Dirac Live, I would have returned them

A few additional notes:
The speakers produce interference noise when connected to the miniDSP (I also had this with the KS Digital C8), but it can be controlled using the top panel and about –15 dB gain reduction.
Galvanically isolating the PC via an optical cable eliminates all noise. (So it’s not a fault of the speakers.)
• I’m using a trigger power outlet with an IEC Y-cable.
This means: when the miniDSP powers on, the trigger-out activates and switches both speakers on. As soon as the miniDSP turns off, the speakers power down as well.
This works great because I have the TV connected to the miniDSP via HDMI.
Everything powers up together, and I can control it all simply with the TV remote.
• I wasn’t able to tame around 150 Hz (a desk problem area) using the speaker’s onboard settings…
At least in my setup, this speaker strongly excites the desk, even though the speakers are properly decoupled!
Only room correction via miniDSP solved the issue.

All in all, I can warmly recommend these speakers!
Purely in terms of performance, price, build quality, and all the other great aspects, I would definitely give them a chance!

I understand that you would return them without using the room's correction system?