Palmer ORBIT 11 Cardioid Coaxial 3-way studio monitor (MSRP 799€/899$)

[KL....]

Ooops, we're on page #100 now ... how many of these could be deleted that referred to the 'magic' orange (tangerine) ring?

Thank you, @Salt, at least it has Measure/s & Impression/s to discuss, unlike (many) other threads, reasonable?

 

[Ktacos]

Personally I feel the ring should have have been made of cheese, so if you're short on cheese you can scrape it off the speaker and get cookin'

 

[Frank Dernie]

They look like they may be a good replacement for my Meridian M33 rear channels in my 5.1 system.

 

[Torin Krell]

Thank you, @daniboun, for the 1/3rd party measure, appreciated :=)
The Palmer measure compares well to the 1/3rd party measure, doesn't it....

• No Amp required.... Fabulous, simpler although longer/long Analogue/Digital (AES3) Interconnects are required.
• 120' x 120' H/V dispersion!!!! Fabulous although this indicates that these Speakers will need to be carefully placed/located/positioned in the Room, doesn't it, and CMs/MMs will matter, won't they?
• Its (relative) weakness is in the Low/Mid Bass area, isn't it, perhaps/possiblely a little Reactive Muddy (relative) and could be Tighter/Diffused/Damped without looseing the Real/Right/Natural Contrast. This suggests the Amp unit, Box, or both could be improved, reasonable? Mid/Treble distortion (Waterfall Plot) is very good, isn't it, as is the FR? The video shows, in an Open Environment, that he listened/recorded at 7m away (very impressive).
• The slightly off centre alignment of the Coaxial Tweeter is an issue, isn't it, especially as the Tweeter also relys on the Mid Cone as a Waveguide, and needs to be improved/corrected, doesn't it? Millimetres/Alignment matter, don't they?
• The Hiss issue suggests Amp unit, doesn't it? Hopefully they can also resolve this issue quickly.
• One post indicated that the AES3 did not work, so hopefully they can also resolve this issue quickly.
• Alot to like and a few issues that need to be attended to/corrected.
• Overall, Impressive....

The Palmer measures are, as follows....
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Since the highest amplitude of self noise of the Palmer Orbit 11 monitors seems to be above 10khz I wonder if the perceived variability of this noise is at least partially correlated to the significant variability among individuals in their high frequency hearing. (Yes I realize the individual frequencies in the last graph depicting noise are blocked however it appears that the black bands with text end on the right side very near 10khz.

 

[Torin Krell]

Here is the hiss assessment/measurement :

@3mm15s for explanation (seems not to be an issue) : Orbit 11 measurements

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Here the high frequency emphasis of the noise is depicted with higher resolution (the blue graph is the important one - see the original posting) and the noise measured here is also most prevalent above 10khz where the average human sensitivity to sound is significantly more variable than at lower frequencies. So this graph apparently also supports, as stated in my last post, that this variability in high frequency sound perception could account for at least some of the variation in the audibility of the self noise people report in these monitors.

 

[Patrice05]

hello
I am looking for the white pair - EU - anyone?
Cheers

Hello,
I have one white pair but depending on where you live.

 

[galileon]

Hello,
I have one pair in white but depending on where you live.

hi thanx i live at Poland and have also black pair for sell

 

[Torinoscale]

hi thanx i live at Poland and have also black pair for sell

So you decided against keeping them in the end, what did lead to that decision?

 

[GayCutler]

hi thanx i live at Poland and have also black pair for sell

Your posts belong here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?forums/audio-equipment-for-sale-or-to-buy.29/

 

[DWOJr]

B&H has these in stock. I just ordered a pair for my home studio

 

[sidechain]

The first North American batch has arrived — got my pair today. A few observations:

Hiss is a non-issue with the pair I have. I have to put my ear close to the tweeter to hear it.

I set the pad to -9 dB because they are crazy loud out of the box. I toggled the close-wall preset to compensate for the cardioid-to-non-cardioid transition at 250 Hz, then ran Sonarworks afterward. Smooth sailing. There is plenty of bass, but the speakers still feel balanced.

Concerning the SPL and distortion concerns, I couldn't get the built-in limiter to trigger, even at louder-than-loud volumes. I tested it on different source material ranging from bass-heavy music to quieter stuff. It passed the test in my room.

If you're a music mixer or producer and need more SPL:

1. Test your hearing
2. Consider another line of work
3. Buy "main" client speakers.

Again, they are clearly designed for a specific use case, and you need to treat them as nearfield studio monitors.

 

[DWOJr]

I intend to use them as nearfields. Seems like an ideal speaker for me to listen to and record the reggae that I love

 

[tonyrob]

The first North American batch has arrived — got my pair today. A few observations:

Hiss is a non-issue with the pair I have. I have to put my ear close to the tweeter to hear it.

I set the pad to -9 dB because they are crazy loud out of the box. I toggled the close-wall preset to compensate for the cardioid-to-non-cardioid transition at 250 Hz, then ran Sonarworks afterward. Smooth sailing. There is plenty of bass, but the speakers still feel balanced.

Concerning the SPL and distortion concerns, I couldn't get the built-in limiter to trigger, even at louder-than-loud volumes. I tested it on different source material ranging from bass-heavy music to quieter stuff. It passed the test in my room.

If you're a music mixer or producer and need more SPL:

1. Test your hearing
2. Consider another line of work
3. Buy "main" client speakers.

Again, they are clearly designed for a specific use case, and you need to treat them as nearfield studio monitors.

thanks for sharing. How is the image accuracy, 3D and focusing?

 

[sidechain]

thanks for sharing. How is the image accuracy, 3D and focusing?

Image accuracy is great, I wouldn’t describe them as "3D", they offer a very honest representation of the source material, I heard flaws in very praised records that I couldn’t hear with my last set of speakers. If your mix sucks they will tell you. Low end is incredibly detailed and extended, if something is bloated in that area it’s very clear.

 

[Bwaslo]

Image accuracy is great, I wouldn’t describe them as "3D", they offer a very honest representation of the source material, I heard flaws in very praised records that I couldn’t hear with my last set of speakers. If your mix sucks they will tell you. Low end is incredibly detailed and extended, if something is bloated in that area it’s very clear.

How far are you sitting from them, how separated?

 

[sidechain]

How far are you sitting from them, how separated?

Approx 1.3 meter

 

[Bwaslo]

Approx 1.3 meter

thanks. Just trying to gauge how loud they might be capable of at about double that (with subs doing or assisting the lows).

 

[sidechain]

thanks. Just trying to gauge how loud they might be capable of at about double that (with subs doing or assisting the lows)

If I was on the market for hi-fi speakers they would not be on my list, they are not exacty "forgiving" speakers and they really are at their best in a near field setup.

 

[tonyrob]

If I was on the market for hi-fi speakers they would not be on my list, they are not exacty "forgiving" speakers and they really are at their best in a near field setup.

just curious, what is the difference for you, Hi-Fi speakers vs. near-field?

 

[illusonic]

If I was on the market for hi-fi speakers they would not be on my list, they are not exacty "forgiving" speakers and they really are at their best in a near field setup.

So you listened to them in a proper setup past 1.3m (e.g. at 2.5m) distance? What makes them specifically well suited for nearfield? What is nearfiled in your view (up to 1.5/2m)? What happens past nearfield that makes the speakers less suited? And what would a forgiving speaker be? Is this a question of frequency response? What's the influence of Sonarworks on the latter?