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Onkyo TX-RZ50 Review (Home Theater AVR)

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OK so neither seem to work. When you dial the volume to -22 or higher, it kicks in, but after a few minutes it drops the rail back again, and doesn't do anything until stop the program, perhaps he sees something over bluetooth and assumes with music, 30 watts or so is enough for cooling and green affects. I'll try something over HDMI, and Spotifty Connect.
 
Prior to these tests, I think what they have done is made this so somebody like Amir can bench test it and get big numbers but in reality it is limiting back on normal use, which helps it run cooler and probably some global mandatory push to "save the planet".

So far it is looking like "sneaky f*****"

I'll test on.....
 
OK, I'm not seeing the timeout on Spotify connect like I was on bluetooth. (I just wanted to use a tone generator to test). I imagine HDMI and other sources should be ok. I know it stays in high V mode, as the temp rises in the GUI. Strange how it reset when the bluetooth source was stopped and started, I was able to warm it up. Leave it running whether it be a tone or music, and it would just time out and jump to 4ohm rail mode. So the "Sneaky f******" statement I would say is a bug on that part with the bluetooth, with what I have experienced on Spotify connect. I would imagine it has been tested well on DD / PCM over HDMI ok, and probably completely dependant on the volume with analogue. So it leaves the saturation test "Amir" style to do I guess.
 
I downloaded the recently released firmware update for my RZ50. I tried using the Onkyo afterwards but my inputs had a difficult time locking on to the source. I performed a manual reset of my unit and everything now works great. All my settings were erased but after I reconfigured the receiver, everything is perfect. One thing I did notice: Dirac now has a Bass Management feature (separate from Bass Control) that appears to have automatically set the crossovers for each speaker. The crossovers set by Dirac are a bit higher than I originally had them. Question: Is there a way of checking/confirming Dirac's Bass Management setting? Can I even adjust it now that Dirac has set it or is it now fixed?
 
I downloaded the recently released firmware update for my RZ50. I tried using the Onkyo afterwards but my inputs had a difficult time locking on to the source. I performed a manual reset of my unit and everything now works great. All my settings were erased but after I reconfigured the receiver, everything is perfect. One thing I did notice: Dirac now has a Bass Management feature (separate from Bass Control) that appears to have automatically set the crossovers for each speaker. The crossovers set by Dirac are a bit higher than I originally had them. Question: Is there a way of checking/confirming Dirac's Bass Management setting? Can I even adjust it now that Dirac has set it or is it now fixed?
Given my experience with A1 Evo, after changing the crossover the EQ filters will have to be re-calculated (and sometimes no solutions can be found). So if it let your change the crossover but does not perform additional calculation afterwards, it will be sub optimal.
 
Best way to be sure, is to cross check using a tool like REW - because the indicated "after adjustment" frequency response is a Dirac best guess.... and may not match reality!

Using a post Dirac tuning REW F/R measurement, will quickly tell you whether things are pretty good or pretty bad!

Many people have observed that a slight shift in crossover frequency will sometimes resolve substantive issues...

As an aside - in my case the estimate and the REW measurement were well nigh identical and I am a happy chappy....

I initially did an AccuEQ setup - and let it choose its crossovers, before doing the Dirac setup - the result has worked well for my room. (setup is 5.1.4)
 
I downloaded the recently released firmware update for my RZ50. I tried using the Onkyo afterwards but my inputs had a difficult time locking on to the source. I performed a manual reset of my unit and everything now works great. All my settings were erased but after I reconfigured the receiver, everything is perfect. One thing I did notice: Dirac now has a Bass Management feature (separate from Bass Control) that appears to have automatically set the crossovers for each speaker. The crossovers set by Dirac are a bit higher than I originally had them. Question: Is there a way of checking/confirming Dirac's Bass Management setting? Can I even adjust it now that Dirac has set it or is it now fixed?
There's a slider that allows you to adjust the crossover either globally or by speaker group. This is available under the "Bass Management" menu in Dirac and must be done before filter transfer to the RZ50 since it can't be changed in the AVR after the fact!

On a related note, is the "SW bug" no longer a thing on the RZ50 now that Bass Management is part of Dirac?
 
OK I since discovered that if I stop and start the tones within a certain time frame it does not drop the voltage of the PSU to 4 ohm mode. I tried changing the frequency but it must sense this as the same voltage or something. I'll see if I can vary the output, but I am guessing it will work fine for programs. I think it is some form of eco mode, that will switch up on demand until it hits 60 deg C then drops it anyway. The fan cut in to low at 55 Deg c the same. So with the limited testing I can do, not having resistors to go all out, I'm guessing it will switch back after each test without having to drop the power, you'd have to be patient with it. I'll try and vary the volume from the source and see if it tricks it that way.
I've noticed something like this as well. Above 60 deg it limits power. Under that it seems to deliver full power in real content. It doesn't take that much for it to reach 60 deg though. After reading another post and trying it I also noticed it seems to recover the full power after it drops back below that temp.
 
I've noticed something like this as well. Above 60 deg it limits power. Under that it seems to deliver full power in real content. It doesn't take that much for it to reach 60 deg though. After reading another post and trying it I also noticed it seems to recover the full power after it drops back below that temp.
It's quite possible that the latest firmware no longer requires unplugging the AVR and plugging back in to get out of limp mode. Now, it's simply on temperature permissive control!
 
Check out post #11553. It appears the "limp mode" is occurring prior to the latest firmware and after and oddly one poster states the AVR recovers w/o unplugging the unit to return to normal output mode, even prior to the update. Strange indeed.
I've pretty much been driven out of that thread. Looks like "evidence" is only valid if I was an actual RZ50/7100 owner. :facepalm:
 
Check out post #11553. It appears the "limp mode" is occurring prior to the latest firmware and after and oddly one poster states the AVR recovers w/o unplugging the unit to return to normal output mode, even prior to the update. Strange indeed.
That is pretty much what I experienced and also confirmed with a watt meter. As long as temps drops below 61c it seems to recover full power, pulling the plug may help the temp to drop faster.
 
It's quite possible that the latest firmware no longer requires unplugging the AVR and plugging back in to get out of limp mode. Now, it's simply on temperature permissive control!
It's possible or the temp was still above 60c when others had tested it thinking it would stay in limp mode until unplugged but maybe waiting longer would have brought it back out. Or it could react differently when benching it versus a more real world use.

My biggest issue is that the fan doesn't seem to kick on until around the point where the power is already being limited and there is no indication the power is being limited at all, not in the web interface/app/front panel. I think by the time the power is being limited the fan should probably be running at high speed for quicker recovery.
 
It's possible or the temp was still above 60c when others had tested it thinking it would stay in limp mode until unplugged but maybe waiting longer would have brought it back out. Or it could react differently when benching it versus a more real world use.

My biggest issue is that the fan doesn't seem to kick on until around the point where the power is already being limited and there is no indication the power is being limited at all, not in the web interface/app/front panel. I think by the time the power is being limited the fan should probably be running at high speed for quicker recovery.
I find it odd that some folks in AVS are praising how cool in temp the RZ50 is! I tend not to trust a Class A/B amp when it doesn't get a bit warm to the touch!
Probably some of those folks are listening to degraded audio and don't even know it!
 
I find it odd that some folks in AVS are praising how cool in temp the RZ50 is! I tend not to trust a Class A/B amp when it doesn't get a bit warm to the touch!
Probably some of those folks are listening to degraded audio and don't even know it!
I feel like the power limiting is probably too aggressive. 60 deg c seems too low to start limiting power especially with the fan on LOW - just a few years ago Onkyo was allowing components run 80c+ with no heatsinks. I guess they didn't want so many failures this time around.

Most users with lighter loads will probably not hit those temps unless it's in a poorly ventilated cabinet.
 
I find it odd that some folks in AVS are praising how cool in temp the RZ50 is! I tend not to trust a Class A/B amp when it doesn't get a bit warm to the touch!
Probably some of those folks are listening to degraded audio and don't even know it!
You might think so, but my previous generation Onkyo SR876 and Integra DTR70.4 got burning hot - and the heat was all on the processing boards/chips (HDMI, and DSP) - not on the power amp sections... which handled my difficult speakers without concern and without excess heat around the power amp heatsinks!!

This caused me to focus on heat on the processing circuits of the current generation, and at least on my example (Integra DRX3.4) the processing boards run admirably cool.

Given I have transferred the primary load of L/C/R onto external amps, my experience with the power amp section heatload, may not be indicative.... but it simply does not get hot. (driving a pair of B&O Penta's for full range surround duty, and 4x Gallo Nucleus Micro's for height - all of which are relatively easy load)

Even the very hot running previous generations of Onkyo AVR's had heat well controlled on the amp circuits (which were all Class AB) - my older (late 1980's) Quad 606 is a different class AB design, and has always run cool (the casing is the heatsink, and it gets no more than warm to the touch).

So in a sense I agree with you - it should get warm to the touch.... but no more!
If it gets seriously hot to the touch (anywhere over 50C... ) something is wrong!!
 
That is pretty much what I experienced and also confirmed with a watt meter. As long as temps drops below 61c it seems to recover full power, pulling the plug may help the temp to drop faster.
Ah, you did the testing...
 
You might think so, but my previous generation Onkyo SR876 and Integra DTR70.4 got burning hot - and the heat was all on the processing boards/chips (HDMI, and DSP) - not on the power amp sections... which handled my difficult speakers without concern and without excess heat around the power amp heatsinks!!

This caused me to focus on heat on the processing circuits of the current generation, and at least on my example (Integra DRX3.4) the processing boards run admirably cool.

Given I have transferred the primary load of L/C/R onto external amps, my experience with the power amp section heatload, may not be indicative.... but it simply does not get hot. (driving a pair of B&O Penta's for full range surround duty, and 4x Gallo Nucleus Micro's for height - all of which are relatively easy load)

Even the very hot running previous generations of Onkyo AVR's had heat well controlled on the amp circuits (which were all Class AB) - my older (late 1980's) Quad 606 is a different class AB design, and has always run cool (the casing is the heatsink, and it gets no more than warm to the touch).

So in a sense I agree with you - it should get warm to the touch.... but no more!
If it gets seriously hot to the touch (anywhere over 50C... ) something is wrong!!
Not sure why the narrative in the AVS thread is completely ignoring the possibility that the over-temperature control IS causing the limp mode! Why is it impossible that a sudden surge of power requirement from low impedance also increases temperature?!!!

gregr is nearly at the conclusion that I've reached long ago but what he says is more well received so hopefully it gets to the logical conclusion eventually! ;)
 
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Not sure why the narrative in the AVS thread is completely ignoring the possibility that the over-temperature control IS causing the limp mode! Why is it impossible that a sudden surge of power requirement from low impedance also increases temperature?!!!

gregr is nearly at the conclusion that I've reached long ago but what he says is more well received so hopefully it gets to the logical conclusion eventually! ;)
Only because there have been no other observations where temperature issues have coincided with limp/protection mode.... and that seems such an obvious combination that it seems almost beyond belief that the link has not been made before! (especially given that you can monitor the temperature via the web interface as well....)
 
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