Assuming you updated to the latest firmware, any oddities or business as usual? Also, do you use Dirac or AccuEQ at all?
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Onkyo TX-RZ50 Review (Home Theater AVR)
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Yes, my RZ50 is up to date with the latest firmware.
I only have 1 weird behavior and it's with my PS5. It switches to the TV input rather than the HDMI5 for some reasons when I boot it up. All my other consoles and my Bluray player behave normally.
Yes! I did try DIRAC but am not so sure about the results. The simple fact is I suspect the microphone to be sub par to really make a good analysis of the frequencies.
Didn't try AccuEQ.
I wish Pure Direct allowed for Subwoofer output but alas.
My unit clicks all the time.
I'm also running very difficult speakers, impedance wise, and difficult speaker sensitive speakers as well.
Martin logan efx for L and R, impedance drops to 2 ohm.
6 Monoprice satellite coaxial for side and rear surround, and 2 for atmos. These are like 80db sensitive.
I sit like 8 feet away from my TV.
As i added the satellites, I definitely felt amp compression kick in. My old volume setpoint of -25dB became more like -8db.
So my dynamic Range is lowered by a lot, and probably clips when explosions occur, but im getting an external amp soon. But before the satellites, when it was just the electrostats left and right, it drove those 2ohm dropping speakers fine.
I'm also running very difficult speakers, impedance wise, and difficult speaker sensitive speakers as well.
Martin logan efx for L and R, impedance drops to 2 ohm.
6 Monoprice satellite coaxial for side and rear surround, and 2 for atmos. These are like 80db sensitive.
I sit like 8 feet away from my TV.
As i added the satellites, I definitely felt amp compression kick in. My old volume setpoint of -25dB became more like -8db.
So my dynamic Range is lowered by a lot, and probably clips when explosions occur, but im getting an external amp soon. But before the satellites, when it was just the electrostats left and right, it drove those 2ohm dropping speakers fine.
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On my PS5, sometimes I have to press the PS button on the controller twice to get it to switch inputs (once to turn it on, once again to get it to switch). Usually this is the case if I'm already on some other input, like the NVIDIA Shield or Xbox.
If you're inclined to try Dirac again, it may be worth investing in a UMIK-1 and tri-pod with boom mount.
Dirac Live Bass control (though perhaps not as I do not believe the subs are independent) and Dolby Atmos support through Amazon music HD is significant in my view.
Hold off on getting the external amp until you have downloaded the firmware updated that came out yesterday. There is one update in the change log that appears to imply they may have fixed the "limp mode" that Amir found:
"5. Improved Amplifier Power supply sequence"
We need more folks to report back if this update fixed the "limp mode"! Most folks on AVS are saying the update doesn't really take unless you do a Factory Reset!
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OK, so initial impressions so far, it would appear to switch HVOL and LVOL (6ohm and 4ohm) rails between -29dB and-22dB at least in PCM mode. I did play a film briefly and that seemed to keep it switched up but wanted to play further. so far Spotify connect is a bit slow when selecting tracks, and as a result will attempt and jump to the next track.
Like a few others on another forum, I think I may need to do a factory rest to iron some of these issues out. Airplay appeared to work, and had no joy with Bluetooth. I will concur and see what else I can dig out with this update.
Note it took about 15 mins with a decent download speed.
Like a few others on another forum, I think I may need to do a factory rest to iron some of these issues out. Airplay appeared to work, and had no joy with Bluetooth. I will concur and see what else I can dig out with this update.
Note it took about 15 mins with a decent download speed.
Yes, the RZ50 is 7.1.4 where the RZ30 is 5.2.4 (or 7.2.2)
Thanks, even with that facts, the RZ30 is, in my opinion a better choice for someone will only needs 5.1 and may have plan to expand to 9.1. That's because of the so called .2 vs the RZ50's .1. The RZ30 may have the lower spec DAC but even if it gets the PCM1690 or 5102A, it will still be good enough for people who don't have golden ears.
And, for someone like me who only want a preamp/dac for 2.2 stereo use, at the lowest price point (vs others), the RZ30 is as close as one can find, unless there exist a real 2.2 integrated amp or receiver but so far there is none, at least not within a $1,500 budget.
I don't know how Onko can do it at the $1,200 price point when D+M and Sony, who presumable have the advantage in terms of "economy of scale" cannot do, or at least have done it.
An industry insider on AVS mentioned that the RZ30 gets the better HDMI board from the RZ70 (and not the one from the RZ50). Looks like the list of improvements keeps growing for the RZ30!Thanks, even with that facts, the RZ30 is, in my opinion a better choice for someone will only needs 5.1 and may have plan to expand to 9.1. That's because of the so called .2 vs the RZ50's .1. The RZ30 may have the lower spec DAC but even if it gets the PCM1690 or 5102A, it will still be good enough for people who don't have golden ears.
And, for someone like me who only want a preamp/dac for 2.2 stereo use, at the lowest price point (vs others), the RZ30 is as close as one can find, unless there exist a real 2.2 integrated amp or receiver but so far there is none, at least not within a $1,500 budget.
I don't know how Onko can do it at the $1,200 price point when D+M and Sony, who presumable have the advantage in terms of "economy of scale" cannot do, or at least have done it.
I think Onkyo’s bankruptcy (and Pioneer Electronics) history in the context of Klipsch which is able to offer something like the Klipschorn which is one of the speakers that has been in continuous production the longest days a lot.I don't know how Onko can do it at the $1,200 price point when D+M and Sony, who presumable have the advantage in terms of "economy of scale" cannot do, or at least have done it.
1) They are trying to rebuild the brand reputation after its bankruptcy
2) They understand consumer preferences and markets. By measurements, the classic Klipsch speakers should be avoided. By practice, Klipsch offers modern DSP speakers which measure great, even with a slight house tube but also has found a “fixed seasoning” sound that people like.
With current prices of both Z30 and X3800h + Dirac Live, they only differ a few €. I'm not so sure the Z30 is still the better deal here.I don't know how Onko can do it at the $1,200 price point when D+M and Sony, who presumable have the advantage in terms of "economy of scale" cannot do, or at least have done it.
But you are comparing the RZ30's list price to the X3800H's sales price right? At the moment I would still go with the X3800H but only at the best street price level (such as Black Friday's, I guess).
No, I'm looking at the cheapest prices I can buy either AVR for in my area.
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Yeah but the RZ30 is so new, it's unlikely to be heavily discounted, where the X3800H can often be found under $1000.
Plus $300 for Dirac w/o the bass management so RZ50 with the power overload fixed for $8-900 w/Dirac is a steal if one one has modest setup w/one sub. What am I missing about the RZ30?
I am 90% sure the X3900H will have the ES2017 like the X6800H and Cinema 30 do. If that happens I should be able to get the 3800 for < C$1,500.. Been wrong before, but based on D+M past practice, I would lijely be right this time.
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The RZ30 has an additional independent subwoofer output (for a 9.2 system) and reportedly a better HDMI board with full 40 Gbps ports (a la RZ70).
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PAC has actually re-introduced AKM DACs into some of their newest products, so we may see other manufacturers diversify away from ESS as well.
Thanks, Onkyo has been plagued with HDMI problems in the past. Thankfully mine has hung in there but will upgrade soon.
