I have been using the denon x3700 and the Integra 3.4 for a few days now. I can tell you the Integra, almost identical to an Rz50, is light-years ahead of the denon in terms of software, if you care about that sort of thing. The HEOS app is like windows 98, and can't even play my Amazon music playlists!Disappointing - however I am not overly concerned with the power amplifier issues, as I was planning on running external amps, due to my speakers being quite a difficult load....
The issues with Jitter are a bit disappointing - and there it cannot easily be remedied externally.
Still going to give it a try though - I think Dirac might be a game changer. (I have ordered the Integra DRX 3.4... should be same pre, with fewer channels, and lower power amps)
And if unhappy with the results - I will trade in for something like the Denon X3700/4700 -
What HDMI 2.1 issues do they have?SINAD is worse than Denon indeed, but Onkyo appears to have HDMI 2.1 ports that work well. That's apparently still problematic on the Denons. Perhaps when Denon releases the X*800 range of AVRs later this year, it'll be fixed, but still problematic on their current X*700 range (e.g. X3700, X4700). And, well, the Onkyo has Dirac Live
For movies and such, I'm not too nitpicky about SINAD and the utmost fidelity anyway. For music I am, and I have a dedicated streamer with integrated DAC for that, with a SINAD in the 110db+ range. As well as a Purifi poweramp, also in the 110db+ SINAD range, arguably above the range where most human ears can't hear a difference anymore (though some say it's 120db+).
I believe I had read that Denon needed to send out a separate device to make HDMI 2.1 work correctly, but maybe that's based on outdated information.
Yes, they had two issues...Originally latest-gen denon units had faulty HDMI 2.1 due to using a buggy chip. At some point the chip was replaced, and newer units don't have the bug anymore and as far as I'm aware are supposed to work, however they also have a different DAC, and I haven't seen any measurements of how it affects the overall performance.
Owners of older units can request under warranty and external device that supposedly fixes the issue, but availability for it can be problematic depending on where you are, and it supposedly adds some significant latency, which beats the whole point of 4k120 gaming, which is the main purpose of HDMI 2.1.
It does have a 12V trigger out-I use it.If it's so obvious that Onkyo intends serious listeners to use a separate amp for the front channels they could at least bring back the balanced pre-outs that they had on my ~2015 vintage NR1030 and add a 12v trigger for the front output to switch the amp. Then my Hypex 502MP can happily drive my speakers through the roof with it's silly 350+ wpc. I get the feeling the current team at Onkyo may have lost some key people during the bankruptcy, like all the audiophiles.
Only in the totl flagship prepro...yes, but no balanced pre-outs. That combination hasn't existed in any of Onkyo's generations as far as I've found?
I believe it is built into it's HDMI setup - never had a sync issue with it!Does this AVR have an auto lipsync feature?
Strange - I havn't experienced lipsync since installing the new AVR...With anything hooked into the AVR I use enable the lipsync feature in the app-it seems to work perfectly but w/o manual adjustment there is quite a lag when viewing apps on the tv via eARC.