Onkyo TX-RZ30

[valerianf]

@J. Lohmann
If you set Dolby Surround to be used on the input STRMBOX, each time you go back to this input the RZ30 will remember to use DolbySurround.
The DSP assignement is by input source.
If the STRMBOX input has several encoded sound switching between several codecs, it could be the mess to assign any DSP.

 

[J. Lohmann]

@J. Lohmann
If you set Dolby Surround to be used on the input STRMBOX, each time you go back to this input the RZ30 will remember to use DolbySurround.
The DSP assignement is by input source.
If the STRMBOX input has several encoded sound switching between several codecs, it could be the mess to assign any DSP.

I'm not really following you here...are you trying to say it could be A MESS to assign any DSP? If so, are you saying the Onkyos WILL NOT remember to switch to different sound modes based on CHANNEL COUNT?

That's sort of a deal-breaker for me...

 

[Timcognito]

I understand that at a fundamental level...but I'm referring to whether or not the unit will remember what was used last based on CHANNEL COUNT, as well. In other words, if I used Dolby Surround the last time I watched something with a two channel signal, will it remember to use Dolby Surround the NEXT TIME I watch something with a 2.0 signal?

Here is the manual 183 pages very detailed. I think you can fix inputs for each device otherwise it roams to the input signal and uses that. Newbe just started using mine

https://support.onkyousa.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/31103569603092

 

[J. Lohmann]

Here is the manual 183 pages very detailed. I think you can fix inputs for each device otherwise it roams to the input signal and uses that. Newbe just started using mine

https://support.onkyousa.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/31103569603092

I'll check it out, thanks; can't seem to get straight answers on whether this works according to number of channels and the automatic application of an upmixer.

 

[Timcognito]

I'll check it out, thanks; can't seem to get straight answers on whether this works according to number of channels and the automatic application of an upmixer.

I keep a fish tank video in BluRay/DVD player to set up when I pressed the button again it turned on the player and resumed the DVD.

 

[kyuu]

I'll check it out, thanks; can't seem to get straight answers on whether this works according to number of channels and the automatic application of an upmixer.

Typically with any AVR the upmixer is used whenever the number of channels actually present is greater than the number of channels being received from the source. If the number of channels match, then there's nothing for the upmixer to do and therefore it is not in use. Hard to see how one would upmix a 5-channel (for example) mix to 5-channels. What would/could the upmixer possibly be doing?

I understand the concern since my AVR does the same thing and I spent a little bit of time going through the manual to make sure everything was setup correctly. But it's easy enough to verify nothing untoward is happening: use any sort of surround sound test signaling and listen. For 5.1, at least, you can find that kind of thing on Youtube if you don't have anything else.

 

[J. Lohmann]

I keep a fish tank video in BluRay/DVD player to set up when I pressed the button again it turned on the player and resumed the DVD.

But what does that have to do with remembering the channel count on the AVR's upmixing scheme?

 

[J. Lohmann]

Typically with any AVR the upmixer is used whenever the number of channels actually present is greater than the number of channels being received from the source. If the number of channels match, then there's nothing for the upmixer to do and therefore it is not in use. Hard to see how one would upmix a 5-channel (for example) mix to 5-channels. What would/could the upmixer possibly be doing?

I totally understand that -- I have a thread going about that exact question, which you can see in this area of the forum ("Upmixer Behavior on 5.1 Tracks with 5.1 System").

My question in THIS Onkyo thread was about how the RZ30 AUTOMATICALLY handles applying upmixers to two-channel signals.

I understand the concern since my AVR does the same thing and I spent a little bit of time going through the manual to make sure everything was setup correctly. But it's easy enough to verify nothing untoward is happening: use any sort of surround sound test signaling and listen. For 5.1, at least, you can find that kind of thing on Youtube if you don't have anything else.

I don't have the RZ30 yet -- I was asking questions based on my experience with my current Denon AVR because things are very confusing with regard to these new receivers and how they're dealing with so many different formats.

I wanted to know if the new Onkyos automatically remember to apply Dolby Surround or DTS Neural:X to 2.0 channel signals every time they're needed -- in other words, if I go from a disc with a 5.1 soundtrack to one with a 2.0 stereo mix, will the AVR REMEMBER to switch over to Dolby Surround or DTS Neural to process that 2.0 signal correctly on my 5.1 system, or would I have to press a button on the remote to TELL it to use DSU or Neural:X?

 

[valerianf]

Let us take a practical example: a Roku streamer transmitting Google TV.
You can assign only 1 DSP for its input.
But the audio flux is continuously changing of audio format depending if it is advertising, studio broadcasting or movies.
Each time the audio format is changing, the RZ30 makes a relay click and choose another DSP treatment.
My solution is to force the Roku streamer to output DD+ whatever is the audio format of the source.
Et voilà, no more relay click.

 

[kyuu]

I totally understand that -- I have a thread going about that exact question, which you can see in this area of the forum ("Upmixer Behavior on 5.1 Tracks with 5.1 System").

Ya know, I think I was actually mixing up this thread with your other one. Sorry about that!

 

[J. Lohmann]

Ya know, I think I was actually mixing up this thread with your other one. Sorry about that!

No worries.

 

[J. Lohmann]

Let us take a practical example: a Roku streamer transmitting Google TV.
You can assign only 1 DSP for its input.
But the audio flux is continuously changing of audio format depending if it is advertising, studio broadcasting or movies.
Each time the audio format is changing, the RZ30 makes a relay click and choose another DSP treatment.
My solution is to force the Roku streamer to output DD+ whatever is the audio format of the source.
Et voilà, no more relay click.

Right -- this "changing back and forth" between trailers, promos and then setup menus before we even GET to the main feature (on a disc, which is all I watch) is why I need an AVR to AUTOMATICALLY adjust to varying signal types and channel counts. This is why I wanted to know if the Onkyos will automatically KNOW to switch to, say, a Dolby Surround mode when a two-channel Dolby signal is present and then KNOW to AUTOMATICALLY switch to the MULTICHANNEL signal once a feature film begins.

 

[Timcognito]

Right -- this "changing back and forth" between trailers, promos and then setup menus before we even GET to the main feature (on a disc, which is all I watch) is why I need an AVR to AUTOMATICALLY adjust to varying signal types and channel counts. This is why I wanted to know if the Onkyos will automatically KNOW to switch to, say, a Dolby Surround mode when a two-channel Dolby signal is present and then KNOW to AUTOMATICALLY switch to the MULTICHANNEL signal once a feature film begins.

So far my NEW one is doing just that and there is a button on the remote lets me check, as it puts the format on the screen when pressed. I only have a modest 5.1 setup. One thing, I like it has a setting that forces my sub to always be part of the mix even on two channel. Have not been doing too much music but several BluRays, Netflix, Prime, Dish Network surround and such. Had few setup issues and called this Onkyo help number, so @J. Lohmann give them a call with these issues (800) 229-1687. Like all of these systems integrating everything with as few remotes as possible is the the biggest issue and the CEC feature has come a long way since my last Onkyo to help with that.

 

[J. Lohmann]

So far my NEW one is doing just that and there is a button on the remote lets me check, as it puts the format on the screen when pressed. I only have a modest 5.1 setup. One thing, I like it has a setting that forces my sub to always be part of the mix even on two channel. Have not been doing too much music but several BluRays, Netflix, Prime, Dish Network surround and such. Had few setup issues and called this Onkyo help number, so @J. Lohmann give them a call with these issues (800) 229-1687. Like all of these systems integrating everything with as few remotes as possible is the the biggest issue and the CEC feature has come a long way since my last Onkyo to help with that.

Thanks for your feedback and assistance; I have a "lowly" ( ) 5.1 setup, as well.

I've actually been in contact with Onkyo's support via email, and they really weren't much help with regard to these specific queries; I suppose I could purchase one, attempt to set it up and see how it behaves, and if not satisfied, return it.

 

[Timcognito]

Thanks for your feedback and assistance; I have a "lowly" ( ) 5.1 setup, as well.

I've actually been in contact with Onkyo's support via email, and they really weren't much help with regard to these specific queries; I suppose I could purchase one, attempt to set it up and see how it behaves, and if not satisfied, return it.

Well I went to the setup help option in the phone queue and the guy knew everything I needed. I tried to program my remote and put some new things on on the mode buttons because the internet said I could. It started working but then it wouldn't turn off. The Onkyo remote is meant to automatically recognize other devices, no manual or IR programing of other devices just automatic adoption or menu choices.

 

[karipu]

Does this amplifier support multi-channel DSD file playback via HDMI; using – for example – an Eversolo or Wiim player?

 

[karipu]

I found the manual: the answer is yes!

 

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[J. Lohmann]

Wow, that's cheap --wish it did what I needed it to do.

 

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