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These companies need to be sued over this power limiting bug. Totally unacceptable.
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Onkyo TX-RZ30 AV Receiver Review
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People that need all those inputs would be my guess. People have streaming boxes, disc players, game consoles and PCs connected to their home theater setup.
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Oh, sorry, analog audio/video inputs.
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I think the main reason for analog video is to promote some pure audio mode, which turns it off
That component in is a weird one for a product this decade. Saying that though there might be someone out there with an old games console or VHS they still want to hook up and output over HDMI to a modern TV. That has to be a very tiny audience though.
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Not a valid reason, since you can buy a converter for a few $. Actually it would be better to provide 5V USB socket for supplying a converter or similar additions.
It's not a bug but a "feature". A bug wouldn't be prevalent across 7 different PAC receivers.
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No, there are guys that really DO need and use those inputs. That is a bigger think that you thing. Old camcorders, VCRs, game systems etc. I mean they are not that antiquated really.
I only use HDMI, but im sure many still have older stuff, they maybe use once in a while, not that shocking really.
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But that adds another device......??
Yes but then you're not forcing the general consumer to pay for the add when most don't need it (that's what older AVRs are for)!
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It is such a shame no companies offer inexpensive Class D chipsets that could be used to offer high power, low distortion, and handle low impedance without getting hot. If something like that existed, I bet Chinese companies would start building $100 amps with them and give it a nonsensical name like TPA3255 amp.
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I welcome the inclusion and additional cost of analog video inputs on AVR's, if they help sell them.
I leave it to the manufacturer to make that determination.
I leave it to the manufacturer to make that determination.
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It can likely be called both. The feature was out in place to protect, but it’s a bug in that it doesn’t reset itself without unplugging it.
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Probably this is "I don't care" item for most consumers. For me this is disadvantage. The same for analog radio.
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As mentioned by Amir in the review,
As with other Onkyo and Pioneer AVRs, any attempt to push the amplifier will cause it to go into a lower power mode. This can not be fixed with a power button cycle. You must disconnect the AC cable or it will continue to do so until end of time.
Premium Audio Corporation offers a design of an amplifier section for the most risk-averse of AVR customers - with a lower power mode that will - per ASR - last them until end of time.
As with other Onkyo and Pioneer AVRs, any attempt to push the amplifier will cause it to go into a lower power mode. This can not be fixed with a power button cycle. You must disconnect the AC cable or it will continue to do so until end of time.
Premium Audio Corporation offers a design of an amplifier section for the most risk-averse of AVR customers - with a lower power mode that will - per ASR - last them until end of time.
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Or till the next power outage.
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Yeah, same. One would think manufacturers would focus on appealing to digital era, leave a few legacy analog compatible products in their line for those that want it...instead it's shoehorned into every level of product level and we end up with crappy amplification.
Wiim seems to be approaching it right way, would love to see a 3 or 5 channel "Ultra AVR" with same amp specs as their current stuff in a bigger box, with full suite of movie audio processing, then ability to wirelessly integrate either Vibe amps or their powered speakers for surround and height.
I moved to Sonos to avoid the wires and I enjoy it...but miss the tinkering with speakers and amps.
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The "bug" does not show in Audio Vision bench test of RZ30. I guess the testing method is "1kHz Power Sweep vs. Distortion". I don`t know how it differs what Amir does. Maybe @peng knows?
2 channels driven - 186W (4-ohm, 1kHz Sinus)
2 channels driven - 158W (6-ohm, 1kHz Sinus)
5 channels driven - 102W (4-ohm, 1kHz Sinus)
5 channels driven - 92W (6-ohm, 1kHz Sinus)
7 channels driven - 69W (6-ohm, 1kHz Sinus)
As expected, the TX-RZ30 delivered lower values than the TX-RZ50 in the measurements. In stereo mode, the power climbed to a solid 186 watts per channel (4 ohms) and 158 watts per channel (6 ohms), while the RZ50 still managed 228 watts per channel (4 ohms) and 190 watts per channel (6 ohms). The RZ30 also failed to reach the RZ50's 134 watts per channel (4 ohms) and 122 watts per channel (6 ohms) in 5-channel mode, instead measuring 102 and 92 watts per channel, respectively. In 7-channel mode with a 6-ohm load, the RZ30 still delivered a respectable 69 watts, while the RZ50 countered with 95 watts. The RZ30's average power consumption was around 344 watts, typical for analog AV amplifiers.
Onkyo TX-RZ30 (Test) – audiovision
audiovision.de
For comparison`s sake here is the Denon AVC-X3800H which shows about 10W higher figures multiple channel driven.
Denon AVC-X3800H (Test) – audiovision
audiovision.de
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