Very preliminary news has Onkyo ready to enter the Dirac ART fold w/intro of new products during CES. Products won't be available until 2027!
Too little too late?
Too little too late?
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Onkyo ready to unveil Dirac ART-capable products at CES
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It would be great news if a reasonably priced preamp/processor with advanced room correction became available. With so little competition in the middle and lower price segments of the market, these new products could be a real boost for A/V enthusiasts.
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Deep discounts on PAC products can generally be had but typically not in its first year of existence. Based on that, a "great deal" won't happen until 2028?
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I hope not.Very preliminary news has Onkyo ready to enter the Dirac ART fold w/intro of new products during CES. Products won't be available until 2027!
Too little too late?
I don't know whether to be encouraged or discouraged by the phrases 'conceptual components' and 'proposed architecture' in the link.
It leaves me uncertain whether 'Gentex' - the owner of Onkyo, is committed to allocating capital investment to home theater or not.
Better late than never 
. Great to hear that we might have more choice in the future.
I certainly hope that they will design new gen of products with great thought and view of the current market and features. My hope is that D&M will also have a new and improved line by 2027 and that PAC will bring their best to the game to compete with them.
Will be interesting to see if PAC can do better Bass Control and ART pricing than D&M.
. Great to hear that we might have more choice in the future.I certainly hope that they will design new gen of products with great thought and view of the current market and features. My hope is that D&M will also have a new and improved line by 2027 and that PAC will bring their best to the game to compete with them.
Will be interesting to see if PAC can do better Bass Control and ART pricing than D&M.
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DLBC pricing for PAC is the same for D&M. I would imagine the pricing for ART would be the same as well!Better late than never
I certainly hope that they will design new gen of products with great thought and view of the current market and features. My hope is that D&M will also have a new and improved line by 2027 and that PAC will bring their best to the game to compete with them.
Will be interesting to see if PAC can do better Bass Control and ART pricing than D&M.
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I agree there's a lot of marketing speak/fluff and not a lot of detail (sure to come in the next few days of CES). What worries me is if Dirac ART will only be pushed to AV Processors and not their AVR lineup.
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JBL offers the option of 'Dirac Live' in a 7-channel AVR.
I wonder if the option of Dirac ART will be available in a 7-channel AVR from Onkyo/Integra, or D&M.
I wonder if the option of Dirac ART will be available in a 7-channel AVR from Onkyo/Integra, or D&M.
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I don't understand either of these sentiments at all. From the announcement page:
Nothing there says or implies "not investing in home theater" or "Dirac ART will only be available on the AVPs but not AVRs".
I do dislike this:
Next generation AV products, but:
1) Still a giant black box. This is 2026, excellent SMPS/class D options exist, why are they still designing things like this.
2) They put in a nice display instead of the same dot-matrix things they've been using since the 90s, cool. Except they have this gigantic faceplate and even put in a big black piece of glass/plastic to give the impression of a big display, but the actual screen is this tiny thing maybe an inch or two high and two or three inches wide in the middle of the big black piece of glass/plastic. Seriously, wtf. Who is designing these things.
Just a matter of taste. Definitively beats the pothole that I learned to live with.
In fact, for me the display on AVR/AVP could be dropped altogether. All I care is the web interface on my phone. But then we are all different and they need to design it for, kind of, all of us.
Well, my point is that they should do better than D&M. Distinguishing factor being PAC receivers will already come with DL (probably limited), which does not give you multiple progression options as D&M. Audy is what it is but still a force, especially with all the @OCA enhancements that are all free of charge.
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Agreed that this is a design to hide instead of put on display - especially with such a 'display' - give me a tablet to control that device.
My speculation is Gentex is using the phrases 'conceptual components' and 'proposed architecture' to signal they are consulting with potential retail partners as to the features to offer to be competitive in the home theater market.
I'd love to consult for them - if they are following the thread they can PM anytime.
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Well yes, the Marantz porthole display was obviously the result of hiring some deranged boating enthusiast for their industrial design.
Now when we speak of it, cloud AVR could be cheaper and thus apparently better, and not need for display or design at all.
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I'm unclear how you could get amplification, decoding, video switching, etc. working in the cloud. And regardless, I'd still want some way to see what I'm doing locally. Having to load up an app or web interface every time I want to change volume, inputs, or other settings does not sound like a good experience to me.
It's the future though. There would still be a box in your room, but the processing would be in the cloud.
Want better DSP? All done. More channels. All done. Should not be intrusive more than the current solutions. I use only Apple TV remote for most tasks including volume. I need to dig into Marantz web interface only when changing the EQ presets. One tap to open the app, another one to change. Nothing would change with "virtual processing".
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Latency.
The processing isn't the bit that makes it expensive or big, asides from licensing which wouldn't change with a "cloud" solution except that maybe you'd be paying yet another subscription, so I don't see the benefit.
Have 10ms latency on my mid-range wi-fi. Compared to latency of my system overall that is nothing. Buffering the content would eliminate any real concerns.
You have a box that fits your needs, say 8 channel. Can but additional boxes is you want more channels. Then you have AV10 in the cloud but all of a sudden a newer and much better AV1 comes to life. Costs $10K physically as it is expensive to produce such high end item. But in the cloud nothing changes. You pay additional fee for AV10 to AV1 upgrade that should be much more attractive and move on with your life happily ever after. Your phisical boxes will still work the same way.
I might have been privy to some exploration projects in this area, but have NDA so just noted as much as it makes sense to give folks a sense what might be coming up. It is a good thing IMO as might reduce the cost of upgrades and reduce environmental waste.
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I have noticed newer gear with displays that can mimic the look of a VU meter for a retro aesthetic.
How about a large, wide display for a large AVR/AVP that can default to a screen saver that mimics the look of horizontal analog AM/FM tuning dial ?
Ideally this tuner display could also be functional and possibly incorporate the look of a Fisher 'Stereo Beam' tuning indicator
I recall postings at review threads for select SMSL CD players suggesting SMSL may be repurposing CD drives originally intended for vehicles.
Perhaps a large AVR/AVP could be fitted with a large, wide display intended for a vehicle that has been cancelled.
How about a large, wide display for a large AVR/AVP that can default to a screen saver that mimics the look of horizontal analog AM/FM tuning dial ?
Ideally this tuner display could also be functional and possibly incorporate the look of a Fisher 'Stereo Beam' tuning indicator
I recall postings at review threads for select SMSL CD players suggesting SMSL may be repurposing CD drives originally intended for vehicles.
Perhaps a large AVR/AVP could be fitted with a large, wide display intended for a vehicle that has been cancelled.
