If they show up as seperate tunable channels in Dirac, that will be a VERY clear indication!
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Onkyo Icon P‑80 + M‑80 World First Unboxing and Preview
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No time to measure. But now, I can contribute something to the forum (most of the time, I have questions). So, just to check, I connected the mic to the Onkyo and started a Windows laptop (since there’s no Dirac on Linux). I guess the subwoofer channels are independent. It’s not a sharp photo, but there are two sub channels in Dirac. Time for me to buy DLBC now.
Have a nice weekend.
Have a nice weekend.
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This does look a real winner from Onkyo if it’s designed half way decently.
This thing check so much my boxes in my list… I cross my finger and hope they would not screw up like some BlueOS devices with similar inputs set.
Whether someone who already has device has a spare time, could you please evaluate Fidelity IQ ? This could be “Loudness done right" — with calibration microphone.
Does it work together with DIRAC or are that two things are mutual exclusive?
Whether someone who already has device has a spare time, could you please evaluate Fidelity IQ ? This could be “Loudness done right" — with calibration microphone.
Does it work together with DIRAC or are that two things are mutual exclusive?
Okay, here is a review: https://en.heimkinowelten.de/onkyo-icon-p-80-m-80-test-vorstellung/
Let's have a look at the flesh of P-80. I see a lot of freee seats on PCB. Maybe it is unified with some other device like A-80?
Then P-80 comes to our attention, what do you think?
Anyway, there are no measurements yet, just impressions.
Let's have a look at the flesh of P-80. I see a lot of freee seats on PCB. Maybe it is unified with some other device like A-80?
Then P-80 comes to our attention, what do you think?
Anyway, there are no measurements yet, just impressions.
Specification-wise - NAD C298 looks much more portent and available at the same price (considering seasonal sale) in Europe.
Here are my short AI-made summary of options to accomplish P-80, if it will screw software and measurements:
| Model | Amplifier Topology | Continuous Power 8Ω, 2ch driven | Continuous Power 4Ω, 2ch driven | Declared 2Ω Performance | Balanced (XLR) Inputs | Price | % of Onkyo M-80 Price |
| Atoll AM100 | Class A/B | 100 W | 140 W | N/D (Not Declared) | No | €949 | 59% |
| NAD C268 | Class D (Hypex UcD) | 80 W | 80 W | 250 W (Dynamic) | Yes | €999 | 62% |
| Rotel RB-1552MKII | Class A/B | 130 W | N/D (Not Declared) | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €1,140 | 71% |
| Atoll AM200 | Class A/B | 120 W | 200 W | N/D (Not Declared) | No | €1,350 | 84% |
| Onkyo Icon M-80 | Class A/B | 150 W | 200 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €1,599 | 100% |
| Audiolab 8300 XP | Class A/B | 140 W | 230 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €1,699 | 106% |
| Rotel RB-1582MKII | Class A/B | 200 W | 323 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €1,850 | 116% |
| Arcam PA240 | Class G (w/ Class A) | 225 W | 380 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €2,199 | 138% |
| Vincent SP-332 | Hybrid Tube/Solid-State | 150 W | 250 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €2,299 | 144% |
| Quad Artera Stereo | Class A/B (Current Dumping) | 140 W | 250 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €2,299 | 144% |
| NAD C298 | Class D (Purifi Eigentakt) | 185 W | 340 W | 570 W (Dynamic) | Yes | €2,399 | 150% |
| Atoll AM300 | Class A/B | 150 W | 280 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €2,400 | 150% |
| Musical Fidelity M6SPRX | Class A/B (w/ CRPS) | 230 W | 370 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €2,499 | 156% |
| Anthem MCA 225 GEN 2 | Class A/B | 225 W | 400 W | 600 W (Continuous) | Yes | €2,550 | 159% |
| Lyngdorf Audio SDA-2400 | Class D (Digital) | 200 W | 400 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €2,999 | 188% |
| Cambridge Audio EDGE W | Class XA | 100 W | 200 W | N/D (Not Declared) | Yes | €3,599 | 225% |
Cambridge Audio EDGE W is available at good discounts in Europe, more like 2500 for new one.
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The power ratings on your list are not comparable. Some are measured with 1% THD and others with 0,0005% (rated) THD. Please remember to check the info that AI gives you.
You can get a Gen 2 Purifi amp for 1500€ (NAD C298 is Gen 1) from Audiophonics, Apollon etc. That is also roughly the price for Onkyo M-80. Sure, the VU meters look nice but if the performance compared to Purifi is not there? Why buy it? Who is it for? Just for Onkyo fanboys or those who prefer class A/B over much efficient class D?
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a P-80 & M-80 stack but that is a lot of money..
I agree, there are much more parameters to consider, but the table has too much colums already.
'Better measurements' are not part of satisfaction. The exterior is.
When speakers are not really demanding or listening happens at lower volume, I'm not sure if there will be any use of advanced or more expensive amplifiers.
However I'm dissatisfied by M-80 specs too, it does not seems to be on par with my expectations for P-80.
Most probably in a while after launch M-80 will be available at discounts that corresponds it's capabilities.
Maybe Onkyo will release something more capable next year.
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I'm quite disappointed with the construction; as you can see, the two devices use the same motherboard, which is decidedly unpopular in the preamp. Even at these levels, geared towards superior hi-fi, the amp deserves a dual-mono configuration or at least two separate heatsinks and transistors. Maybe 10,000 x 4 capacitors, and last but not least, if I look at the layout of my old TX 708, it's the same school but from 15 years ago, with a laminated transformer and not a toroidal one... mmmmmm... high expectations, but disappointed in many respects. These are perfectly ordinary devices that are dressed up in a "party dress" embellished with splendid VU meters, but take a look at its 90s predecessor; in comparison, it seems like a McIntosh.
That's true but this is a relatively inexpensive pre-power combo. If you want it massively over-engineered, triple the price.
Yamaha R-N1000 has more or less same capabilities with pre-out and power amplifier built-in and the price on one Onkyo unit.
P-80 and M-80, should be much better to justify price.
I don't have a lot of hope for M-80, but a lot of expectation for P-80 pre-amp. Double sub out and DIRAC are solid promise, but the rest should be good to make any sense in this unit.
True but it's not as pretty.
I doubt that sonically they could be told apart. It's about whether you place any value on the appearance. I do, some don't. I know some people who don't like VU meters and consider them pointless (which they are), but they are fun. Again, depends how much you value that. I've bought a lot of electronics solely on the looks.
While we wait for the Onkyo measurements, the Yamaha presents itself with greater coherence and build quality, focusing on short signal paths and a single chassis (also well-designed, with one of the two heat sinks shielding the transformer). Let's not forget that you'll also need to invest in XLR cables if you have two chassis, and perhaps more sophisticated power cables. Every detail helps to avoid degradation and achieve maximum performance.
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No need for an upgrade on the power cable and xlr cables are dirt cheap. It was competently designed using the required components to achieve the specified output ratings.
lol be a cold day in hell that I pay good money for a fancy power cable. They're a scam.
I predict that the measurements, if we ever get any, will be competent but not close to state of the art. It will be good enough that it won't matter.
Meanwhile you can buy these in germany. I like that they also offer a CD player that fits the style the CD30 https://onkyo.com/de/home-audio-2/cd-players/c-30-cd-player, and that the player is not ridiculously expensive. 400€ is ok I think. So the whole stack is "only" 3400€.
Does anybody know if the subwoofer outs can be used for stereo woofers? I.e. If I want to do 2.2 setup, are the .2 channels two mono channels, or will the subs get stereo information in 2ch mode?
Does anybody know if the subwoofer outs can be used for stereo woofers? I.e. If I want to do 2.2 setup, are the .2 channels two mono channels, or will the subs get stereo information in 2ch mode?
Balanced signal transfer is designed for commercial use: long lines and noisy neighbors. I hope it was a joke about power cords though. I read on ASR about ridiculously expensive and underperforming RCA cable, but most probably average studio gear shop can supply you with pair of XLRM-XLRF cables of your special length for about $100 or so.
Just have a look few posts above:
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That’s a good question. I did notice that earlier as well. I haven’t connected the subs yet. In the controller, I can check one or two subwoofers. The volume indicator shows two volume levels for the subs. Does that mean anything? It will probably become clear after a Dirac measurement, I...
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This is controversial. I wonder if Onkyo has single crossover and equalizer for both subwoofers, but independent attenuation for the sake of Dirac's DLBC ?