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Onkyo C-7030 Review (CD Player)

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NTTY

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Hello everyone,

This is a review and measurements of the Onkyo C-7030 CD player and transport:

Onkyo C-7030_001.jpg


Yes, there's one more item than usual on the picture, and it's not included :)


Onkyo C-7030 - Presentation

This Onkyo has been available under this reference for quite sometime. This is a brand new item that I got.
You can see that it's a CD Player only (I like that), no USB input but a phones out (I love that too).

This CD Player has been discussed in many places, including here on ASR and I read that it was using either a Wolfson WM8718 or an AK4482. But when I measured the Onkyo, I did not find the filter performance reported by any of these two DACs. So there had to be another explanation, meaning I had to open it to check:

Onkyo C-7030_004.jpg


And yes, not an AK nor a Wolfson here but a more classic BurrBrown (TI) PCM1753 of which filter performances are:

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And this is exactly what I measured (see later below in the measurements section)

The back of the Onkyo shows the necessary and essential:

Onkyo C-7030_002.jpg


No, you can't improve the sound replacing power cord, no you can't... ;)

The inside is neat:

Onkyo C-7030_005.jpg


Closer view at the board:

Onkyo C-7030_003.jpg


Besides taking 10sec to read the TOC of my test CD, I was pleasantly surprised by a very fast mech, much faster than the ones of the Denon DCD-900NE or the Yamaha CD-S303 to which you might compare this one.

I listened to it via an external headphones amplifier and with my usual Beyer DT-770Pro 32ohms, and this player made me happy.


Onkyo C-7030 - Measurements (RCA Out)

All measurements performed with an E1DA Cosmos ADCiso (grade 0), and the Cosmos Scaler (100kohms from unbalanced input) for analog outputs, and a Motu UltraLite Mk5 for digital.

I am now consistent with my specific measurements for CD Players, as I described them in the post “More than we hear”, and as I reported them for the Onkyo C-733 review. Over time, this will help comparing the devices I reviewed.

The Onkyo is shy by only 0.132dB of the standard 2Vrms output. The two channels are matched at 0.09dB, which is good. Phase is dead flat.

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As usual, let's start with my standard 999.91Hz sine @0dBFS (without dither) from the Test CD (RCA out):

Onkyo C-7030_999.91Hz_0dBFS.jpg


The THD+N is dominated by THD at this highest digital level. But the calculated SNR, in the presence of this highest level signal is a very good 97.2dB, very close to the max theoretical 98dB of PCM 16bits.

Let's try the same @-6dB:

Onkyo C-7030_999.91Hz_-6dBFS.jpg


The THD decreased by 6dB which means this DAC does not like playing too loud.

I think you saw a very silent CD Player totally free of power supply related spuriae:

Onkyo C-7030_PS.jpg


It's good when it's that clean.

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Next is the bandwidth:

Onkyo C-7030_BW.jpg


We get -0.5dB at 20kHz, and we see some ripple, again in line with the published specs of TI (+-0.04dB).
A wider view will tell us more:

Onkyo C-7030_OS.jpg


We get -50dB attenuation with a stop-band at 24.1kHz, as per the specs. The increase of noise floor beyond 30kHz is due to the noise shaper of the converter.
This is not a high performer per today's standards.

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Let's have a look at the multitone test that a lot of you like very much:

Onkyo C-7030_MT.jpg


Right channel has a little more noise/distortion, but it clears the audio CD content anyways (roughly -100dB). So that is very good.

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Let's have a look at the Jitter:

Onkyo C-7030_JT.jpg


Red trace is from the digital output of the Onkyo and the blue one from analog RCA.
We get minimum lateral rays, of no concern. This is a very good trace.

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Started with the Teac VRDS-20 review, and on your request + support to get it done (more here), I'm adding now an "intersample-overs" test which intends to identify the behavior of the digital filtering and DAC when it come to process near clipping signals. Because of the oversampling, there might be interpolated data that go above 0dBFS and would saturate (clip) the DAC and therefore the output. And this effect shows through distorsion (THD+N measurement up to 96kHz):
Intersample-overs tests
Bandwidth of the THD+N measurements is 20Hz - 96kHz
5512.5 Hz sine,
Peak = +0.69dBFS
7350 Hz sine,
Peak = +1.25dBFS
11025 Hz sine,
Peak = +3.0dBFS
Teac VRDS-20-30.7dB-26.6dB-17.6dB
Yamaha CD-1-84.6dB-84.9dB-78.1dB
Denon DCD-900NE-34.2dB-27.1dB-19.1dB
Denon DCD-SA1-33.6dB-27.6dB-18.3dB
Onkyo C-733-88.3dB-40.4dB-21.2dB
Denon DCD-3560-30.2dB-24.7dB-17.4dB
Myryad Z210-70.6dB (noise dominated)-71.1dB (noise dominated)-29.4dB (H3 dominated)
Sony CDP-X333ES-30.5dB-24.8dB-16.3dB
BARCO-EMT 982-32.7dB-24.5dB-16.3dB
TASCAM CD-200-73.5dB-36.3dB-19.7dB
Sony CDP-597-30.4dB-24.7dB-16.5dB
Onkyo C-7030-76.6dB-37.6dB-21.6dB

The results of the Onkyo show that its interpolator has a good 1dB headroom to process too hot signals, which is good news.

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Let's continue with the good old 3DC measurement that Stereophile was often using as a proof of low noise DAC. It is from an undithered 997Hz sine at -90.31dBFS. With 16bits, the signal should appear (on a scope) as the 3DC levels of the smallest symmetrical sign magnitude digital signal:

Onkyo C-7030_3DC.jpg


We can easily recognized the 3 primary levels, which should be a square, with a good symmetry. We have minimum noise to disturb the signal. The ringing os due to the reconstruction filter (symmetrical impulse response) and the Gibbs phenomenon (limited band to 22.05kHz).

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Other measurements (not shown):
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Analog" (18kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -83.9dB
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Digital" (17'987Hz & 19'997Hz 1:1) : -78.9dB
  • IMD AES-17 MD (41Hz & 7993Hz 4:1): -81.1dB
  • IMD DIN (250Hz & 8kHz 4:1) : -76.7dB
  • IMD CCIF (19kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -78.6dB
  • IMD SMPTE (60Hz & 7kHz 1:4) : -77.2dB
  • IMD TDFD Bass (41Hz & 89Hz 1:1) : -96.9dB
  • IMD TDFD (13'58Hz & 19841Hz 1:1) : -92.8dB
  • Dynamic Range : 97.9dB (without dither @-60dBFS)
  • Crosstalk: -121dBr (100hz), -120dBr (1kHz), -98.5dBr (10kHz)
  • Pitch Error : 19'997.26Hz (19'997Hz requested) ie 13ppm
  • Gapless playback : Yes
The IMD scores are good, even if 20dB lower than best in class.
The Dynamic range and crosstalk are very god. The clock is precise at 13ppm.

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Last and not least, I like to run a THD vs Frequency sweep at -12dBFS as it shows how the conversion has evolved over time. I am currently using the beta version of REW and I discovered that this sweep gives better and more reliable results than before:

Onkyo C-7030_THDvsFreq.jpg


You can see that at this -12dBFS, the BurrBrown still suffers from harmonic distortion when compared to the best in class. Right channel suffers a little more (look at the legend).

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As I did with the Sony CDP-597, I'm introducing a new "max DAC resolution" measurement. It's performed from a 999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither. I restrict the THD+N span to 20Hz - 6kHz not to account for the noise of the shape dither beyond 6kHz. That gives me a local max resolution, which should be higher than 17bits as a proof that the CD Player can actually resolve more than the Audio CD.

Here are the results of the Onkyo compared to others:
CD Player model or DACCalculated ENOB (999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither, THD+N span = 20Hz - 6kHz)Percentage of max resolution achieved (higher is better)
SMSL PS-200 (from CD player)18.6bits100%
Denon DCD-900NE18.5bits99.4%
Onkyo C-73318bits96.7%
SMSL PL10017.9bits96.2%
Sony CDP-59717.5bits94%
Onkyo DX-735517.3bits93%
Denon DCD-356017.2bits92.5%
Onkyo C-703017.2bits92.5%
Yamaha CD-S30316.8bits90.3%
Accuphase DP-7016.6bits89.2%
Sony CDP-337ESD16.6bits89.2%
Teac VRDS-25x16.5bits88.7%
Marantz CD-7314.9bits80.1%

I showed the best of the two channels (left) but note that the right one achieves only 16.6bits on this test, again because of its higher distorsion, and that would put it on lower end of that table, actually below my threshold of 17bits. Too bad...


Onkyo C-7030 - Testing the drive

What would be good measurements if the drive would not properly read a slightly scratched CD, or one that was created at the limits of the norm? The below tests reply to these questions.

The Onkyo took a relatively long 10 seconds to read the TOC of my 40 tracks test CD. It operates in total silence.

Here are the results:
Test typeTechnical testResults
Variation of linear cutting velocityFrom 1.20m/s to 1.40m/sPass
Variation of track pitchFrom 1.5µm to 1.7µmPass
Combined variations of track pitch and velocityFrom 1.20m/s & 1.5µm to 1.40m/s & 1.7µmPass
HF detection (asymmetry pitch/flat ratio)Variation from 2% to 18%Pass
Dropouts resistanceFrom 0.05mm (0.038ms) to 4mm (3.080ms)Up to 1.25mm
Combined dropouts and smallest pitchFrom 1.5µm & 1mm to 1.5µm & 2.4mmUp to 1mm
Successive dropoutsFrom 2x0.1mm to 2x3mmUp to 1mm

The Onkyo was able to read without generating typical digital noise with dropouts up to 1.25mm. I could measure interpolation starting as early as with 0.75mm but I could not hear it. It had no issue with HF detection nor variation of trach pitch and velocity. These results are on the low end for a modern CD Player, but I guess this a payback for the speed of the drive...


Onkyo C-7030 - Measurements (Digital Optical Out)

I know several of you want to know, is it a good transport?

So let's go with the 999.91Hz @0dBFS:

Onkyo C-7030_999.91Hz_0dBFS_Opti.jpg


It is as I see it from the original WAV that I burnt of the CD, and that the Onkyo is playing here ;)

Same with my usual 3DC measurement:

Onkyo C-7030_3DC_opti.jpg


As we want to see it.

The final proof (to me) is when I reuse the intersamples over test at 5512.50Hz, with a phase shift of 67.5°, like I did for the TASCAM CD-200 review. This signal generates an overshoot of +0.69dB and so if the signal would be modified before being sent, it would show either a reduction of amplitude or we'd see some sort of saturation/increase noise/distorsion. So here we go, the below is a comparison between the WAV File directly processed by the PC, and when played by the Onkyo via the optical out:

Onkyo C-7030_5512.50Hz.jpg


They are the same, so no digital modification, ie perfect transport.


Conclusion

The Onkyo is nice looking and decent performing CD player, to me. I got to measure what I see from older very good CD Players, and you have a warranty!

As a transport, it shines. Only we would have loved to get more resistance to scratched CDs, but it's still as good or better than many old KSS Laser heads from Sony.

This is a good competitor of the Yamaha CD-S303. They have different but very close performances. If one is cheaper than the other with your preferred reseller, then you know what to do!

I hope you enjoyed this review and have lovely weekend!

Flo
 
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I'm assuming that this model Onkyo player has the same, VLSC filter that the two previous models you tested has. Both of those were at -80db with very good attenuation. This one suffers a little bit. Can we blame the BB dac IC. ?
 
I believe that unit has been discontinued here in the U.S.
 
I purchased one about a week ago, and I've been very happy with it. Initially, I was concerned after reading a lot of posts of skipping and difficulty reading discs (maybe those issues were primarily with players shortly after its release). It's nice to read Cogito's experience of owning one for ~13 years. I've played ~30 discs, most are in immaculate condition, and have experienced no issues with skipping.

Not a fan of the changes they've made to the fascia with the upcoming C-30 -- Onkyo green replaced with an amber display, and the repositioning of the "Onkyo" branding (but yea, otherwise, it's identical). Can still find the player in the states for ~$300.

Thanks for the great review, NTTY.
 
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I have owned this device for 4 years now. Fine as a transport feeding an RME dac with Toslink cable. Not so good reading with some scratched cds, as review notes. Metal case is pretty basic and low quality. Value for the cost though.
 
I intended to buy 170eur as hdcd reader but I was scared after many complaints for skipping cds on Internet. Now again I should change and order...for 120eur NAD C542BEE is offered what guys do you think?
 
I purchased one about a week ago, and I've been very happy with it. Initially, I was concerned after reading a lot of posts of skipping and difficulty reading discs (maybe those issues were primarily with players shortly after its release). It's nice to read Cogito's experience of owning one for ~13 years. I've played ~30 discs, most are in immaculate condition, and have experienced no issues with skipping.

Not a fan of the changes they've made to the fascia with the upcoming C-30 -- Onkyo green replaced with an amber display, and the repositioning of the "Onkyo" branding (but yea, otherwise, it's identical). Can still find the player in the states for ~$300.

Thanks for the great review, NTTY.
I intend to buy it also bit was afraid about skipping mentioned on net..and consider as well nad c542..although onkyo has better outfit...Hope will be lucky as you were...
 
I intended to buy 170eur as hdcd reader but I was scared after many complaints for skipping cds on Internet. Now again I should change and order...for 120eur NAD C542BEE is offered what guys do you think?
I've never had an issue with skipping. Then again, every CD I have since I first started buying them in 1985 are in pristine condition to this day. Keep 'em dry, in their jewel boxes and out of the sun and they should last a lifetime. :)
 
Thank you I will.order it tomorrow. Final decision. I didn't mention hdcd is my need..I have also so many cds xrcd k2hd hdcd bluspec...etc.
 
Thank you I will.order it tomorrow. Final decision. I didn't mention hdcd is my need..I have also so many cds xrcd k2hd hdcd bluspec...etc.
How is the CD Player? I am thinking of getting one of these myself. Appears to be the cheapest one among the others I am considering... Yamaha, NAD, Denon, SMSL. I will be using it mainly as a transport feeding a WiiM Pro Plus via its optical output.
 
Good luck finding anything that'll actually decode HDCD in this day and age... I mean, it can be done in software just fine, but any hardware implementations would be discontinued for years if not decades at this point. Even the CS4397 has been officially EOL for almost a decade, and likely hadn't exactly been flying off the shelves for about a decade before that.

How many HDCDs could one possibly have anyway? I can't imagine it would be more than a handful. Might be worth trying to decode in software and burning onto CD-Rs if need be.
 
Good luck finding anything that'll actually decode HDCD in this day and age... I mean, it can be done in software just fine, but any hardware implementations would be discontinued for years if not decades at this point. Even the CS4397 has been officially EOL for almost a decade, and likely hadn't exactly been flying off the shelves for about a decade before that.

How many HDCDs could one possibly have anyway? I can't imagine it would be more than a handful. Might be worth trying to decode in software and burning onto CD-Rs if need be.
Good idea. Provided of course that the decoded version sounds better. I have a number of HDCD's where my player recognizes them but they don't sound any different from when the HDCD decoding in my player is disabled (Mark Knopfler's solo stuff for example). Then there are some, such as Grateful Dead's live stuff, that sound amazing when decoded as well as recordings made by the company Reference Recordings.
 
Good luck finding anything that'll actually decode HDCD in this day and age... I mean, it can be done in software just fine, but any hardware implementations would be discontinued for years if not decades at this point. Even the CS4397 has been officially EOL for almost a decade, and likely hadn't exactly been flying off the shelves for about a decade before that.

How many HDCDs could one possibly have anyway? I can't imagine it would be more than a handful. Might be worth trying to decode in software and burning onto CD-Rs if need be.
It seems to me that the Cirrus Logic CS4397 DAC chip didn't do HDCD decoding. The evaluation board datasheet for this chip explicitly states the necessity to use an external Pacific Microsonics digital signal processor to benefit from HDCD: https://d3uzseaevmutz1.cloudfront.net/pubs/rdDatasheet/cs43122eb-1.pdf (page 3, point 4).
 
Here's another one considering buying this CD player. I've been thinking on the Denon DCD-900NE (348€ in southern Europe) or Marantz CD6007 (415€). The cheapest I see this Onkyo is about 299€. I guess the three of them sound almost the same, so will shoot to the first one that moves xD
 
I use one of these as a CD transport only. It works great.

My only issue is the remote control. Why do they make CD remotes so dang big?
Thanks

I have Pioneer pd-10ae, and it's almost identical to this Onkyo, but without digital output. As a player it has flat good balance presentation, I like it.
Do you think this Onkyo as a transport is significantly better than a player?
 
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