Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
There are certainly more relevant issues over whether there's any value in spending 6 figures on a component that can be
bettered sonialy for $100. LOL
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There are certainly more relevant issues over whether there's any value in spending 6 figures on a component that can be
bettered sonialy for $100. LOL
Both of them are quite flawed in that video...already shown to have "massive" LF resonances...arm and cartridge not really working.
An analog euthanasia device?SQ aside
No one can say these hi end turntables don't look cool
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To my eye, one of the best looking tables ever was the Empire 598 line
Back in the day I lusted over these badly but could never afford one.
Back in the day I lusted over these badly but could never afford one.
Not really the same, but yes classic music is a challenge on vinyl and inner tracks. This is one example which works reasonably well:
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phoenixdogfan
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My theory is doing that kind of maintenance is a way of signaling to potential mates you're willing to do the maintenance on the relationship, and yourself as well.I think it stems back to Louis XIV. He made huge gardens with ridiculously well trimmed lawns and hedges, just to show how much money he was able to waste.
No sane person with more brains than money would ever want to have lawns and/or hedges in their garden, and yet those two things have become a globally accepted form of masochism needed for keeping up an absolute minimal amount of social appearances. It's nuts.
People just seem to love buying things that require maintenance for no other reason than the maintenance itself
Robin L
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Would have been good to identify the piece - Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste, Bela Bartok. Not exactly comparable to the finale of Mahler's Second Symphony. The orchestration is not nearly as thick, the climax more restrained. Mahler and Bruckner are more of a challenge on account of the density of orchestration and the extremes of dynamics.Not really the same, but yes classic music is a challenge on vinyl and inner tracks. This is one example which works reasonably well:
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Robin L
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I'd just like to note that Louis XIV also spend dear coin to maintain one of the finest groups of musical composers/performers in his court in history including Francois Couperin and Marin Marais.I think it stems back to Louis XIV. He made huge gardens with ridiculously well trimmed lawns and hedges, just to show how much money he was able to waste.
No sane person with more brains than money would ever want to have lawns and/or hedges in their garden, and yet those two things have become a globally accepted form of masochism needed for keeping up an absolute minimal amount of social appearances. It's nuts.
People just seem to love buying things that require maintenance for no other reason than the maintenance itself
Yes agreed. Not having much classic on vinyl for obvious reasons.
Kind of like being US President and having Pink Floyd in your court.
Which would be a good one? Bernsteins later one (Mahler no2) on DG? Just for fun to see what the limitations would be
Robin L
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Yes, that would be good. The example I posted is Bernstein leading the London Symphony Orchestra in Mahler's symphony #2. That recording is sonically the worst of the three that Bernstein recorded, the DGG recording with NYPO is sonically the best of the three. Harnoncourt's recording of Bruckner's 9th with the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra for RCA is also a good example of an orchestral recording that pushes the limits of dynamics, thanks to the dense orchestration of brass at the dynamic peaks. That recording happens to be available as a 5.1 SACD.
Killingbeans
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Sounds like potentially false advertisement to me. Or maybe it just explains why I suck at relationships
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Nah! SalTo my eye, one of the best looking tables ever was the Empire 598 line
Back in the day I lusted over these badly but could never afford one.
Just looks like a dated Dansette to me!
Robin L
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I lived at a farmhouse in the hills of LaVerne California that had one of these Empire turntables. Interesting audio system - the turntable was in the hallway, attached to a low-power tube amp, there was a long set of wires connecting the amp to a large, corner mounted speaker in the kitchen. Not exactly what one would call "High Fidelity", but very pleasant, nonetheless.To my eye, one of the best looking tables ever was the Empire 598 line
Back in the day I lusted over these badly but could never afford one.
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I remember seeing what must have been some of the last of that (long-running) line of Empire tts (probably the 698) at Myer-EMCO in College Park, MD ca. 1976. Besides being massively beautiful/beautifully massive, it had touch controls a la the contemporary Philips GA-212.
random internet image of a 698:
Empire used dynamically-balanced arms (also available separately) on at least many of their tts, permitting party tricks like this one (although, as - IIRC - @Kal Rubinson once pointed out, presumably with some provision to keep the platter from falling off).
random internet image of a 698:
Empire used dynamically-balanced arms (also available separately) on at least many of their tts, permitting party tricks like this one (although, as - IIRC - @Kal Rubinson once pointed out, presumably with some provision to keep the platter from falling off).
That idea has been used forever, and a good one.
One of the surest ways to avoid the intrusion of acoustic feedback from the soundwaves into the turntable.
Same approach to avoiding the micro-phonic nature of tubes.
No matter the TT design, loud music will always beat on the top of a LP like a drumhead and be heard by the needle.
But that kind of makes what is already an very inconvenient way of playing music into a marathon run. LOL
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And likely as good as my LP12.Whats a Dansette?
Google?
Oh I see, it's a British thing.
