Old server to use for nas

[Deltaman]

I have this diy streamer now with help from Elberoth member here. It's the same parts from the old one with new case. When I turn it on it stays on for three seconds then turns itself off, push it on again and now it stays on? Both switches in both cases acted like that!
Can I use this box for Storage and playback of files also? The ssd in use now has roon rock installed and I cant use it for anything else they say!

 

[somebodyelse]

When I turn it on it stays on for three seconds then turns itself off, push it on again and now it stays on? Both switches in both cases acted like that!

That's odd. I'd check the BIOS settings, or for a PSU quirk.

Can I use this box for Storage and playback of files also? The ssd in use now has roon rock installed and I cant use it for anything else they say!

I thought rock would present internal storage as a network drive so you could transfer content to/from it. I've not used it though. Other PC-based options like daphile and volumio will let you do that.

 

[D2013]

@Deltaman

I think you need to give us some more info.

1) This is probably the most important question, how much storage space do you need? Several hundred GB, a TB, several TB, tens of TB?
2) Do you care about/need fault tolerance?
3) Do you only need the devise to store data, or does the devise need to stream it as well?

These 3 questions can help determine what kind of machine you actually need, and how much it's going to cost you.

Edit: If your router has a usb port, you might not need anything more than an external HD!

 

[linuxfan]

Can I use this box for Storage and playback of files also?

Well apparently you have Roon ROCK installed, and according to the Roon ROCK webpage -
https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en...#So_what_is_Roon_Optimized_Core_Kit_ROCK_then
the answer is yes, and yes -

This is what ROCK offers (and what it doesn't offer):
...
It exposes your internal storage and external storage (USB) drives over an SMB share (micro-NAS!).

It would have helped to know the details of your streamer/server at an earlier stage of this forum thread.

 

[D2013]

Well apparently you have Roon ROCK installed, and according to the Roon ROCK webpage -

https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/roon-optimized-core-kit#So_what_is_Roon_Optimized_Core_Kit_ROCK_then

the answer is yes, and yes -

It would have helped to know the details of your streamer/server at an earlier stage of this forum thread.

At first I thought it was odd that they were pushing NUCs, as the are pretty much the most expensive mini pcs across the board. Then i noticed the amazon links are all affiliate links (shady).

 

[Phorize]

At first I thought it was odd that they were pushing NUCs, as the are pretty much the most expensive mini pcs across the board. Then i noticed the amazon links are all affiliate links (shady).

There's a more benign explanation; it's difficult and expensive to target multiple devices. Also, every week a new brand enters the mini pc space, and the quality of those machines is variable so who knows what bios they run on, what unusual hardware will need supporting, and whether half of them will function 12 months after being set up. ROCK is really for people who can't or don't want to set up a Linux server, last thing roon want is a forum flooded with people freaking out because there's no Linux driver for the network card in the cheap machine they got from AliExpress. Roon on Linux support is abysmal enough as it is.

 

[D2013]

There's a more benign explanation; it's difficult and expensive to target multiple devices. Also, every week a new brand enters the mini pc space, and the quality of those machines is variable so who knows what bios they run on, what unusual hardware will need supporting, and whether half of them will function 12 months after being set up. ROCK is really for people who can't or don't want to set up a Linux server, last thing roon want is a forum flooded with people freaking out because there's no Linux driver for the network card in the cheap machine they got from AliExpress. Roon on Linux support is abysmal enough as it is.

That doesn't explain the use of affiliate links. It's common practice to tell people you are using affiliate links when doing so.

Also I'm not suggesting they claim support for every thing, but their are several well established mini pc manufacturers on the market. For example Minisforum, and Beelink.

 

[linuxfan]

Yes, a standardised Roon ROCK platform is a good idea ... so quite interesting, even ironic, that Deltaman's hardware is not the recommended NUC13ANHi3 or NUC13ANHi7 -
instead Deltaman has an ASRock mini-ITX motherboard, it appears to be the J5040 model.

 

[Deltaman]

Yes my hardware isn't supported but numerous people are using the same hardware with roon rock without issue! Roon couldn't possibly offer support for all the different hardware out there. I tried to use dietpi but couldn't install it, Allegedly dietpi offers a few things to the mix. I don't need it at this time.

 

[linuxfan]

Can I use this box for Storage and playback of files also?

Yes;
- turn off your Roon server, and connect a second hard drive (preferably SSD) to your motherboard's SATA3_2 connector.
- boot up your Roon server, connect to it via the RoonOS webUI, and under "System Status" you should see the new drive listed under "Internal Music Storage". Click "Format" and wait patiently -
https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/formatting-rock-internal-storage

This drive should now be seen as a network share on your LAN as "/Data" and your music files should be located in the "Storage" directory.
https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en...a-directory#Accessing_Roon_OSs_Data_Directory

Now your Roon server is also a NAS.

 

[Deltaman]

Yes;
- turn off your Roon server, and connect a second hard drive (preferably SSD) to your motherboard's SATA3_2 connector.
- boot up your Roon server, connect to it via the RoonOS webUI, and under "System Status" you should see the new drive listed under "Internal Music Storage". Click "Format" and wait patiently -
https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/formatting-rock-internal-storage

This drive should now be seen as a network share on your LAN as "/Data" and your music files should be located in the "Storage" directory.
https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en...a-directory#Accessing_Roon_OSs_Data_Directory

Now your Roon server is also a NAS.

Thanks, That even sounds easy! This SATA cable connected to ssd now, has another molex that will hook to another ssd, and I believe is connected to the pico ps, I can use that? and then I just need another one to go the sata connectors, there are four of them!

 

[linuxfan]

This SATA cable connected to ssd now, has another molex that will hook to another ssd, and I believe is connected to the pico ps, I can use that?

Yes, you're referring to the power cable, and although I can't see its secondary plug from your photo, I will guess that it's suitable to power a second SATA hard drive.

and then I just need another one to go the sata connectors, there are four of them!

Yes, the second hard drive will need its own SATA cable.
Yes, your motherboard should have 3 spare SATA connectors - but I suggest using SATA3_2, because ASRock uses a separate SATA controller chip for SATA3_A1 and SATA3_A2, and I'm not sure if these perform 100% reliably under Linux.

 

[nsfgp]

the 'size' of the server depends on your data set

if its just music i could get away with the 4 x 4tb drives that's been sitting in my HP Microserver for years

eg,

you could conceivably go fully SSD if you got enough money to buy a few 2tb sata or nvme types

you will save on power (a few bucks a year)

Nice HP Microserver!!
Rocking my Proliant G7 (N54L) for many years up to now. 5 X 6TB SATA spinner inside (use the CDROM slot).
Running OMV(from v4 up to v7 now) on a 8GB USB stick inside. 8GB RAM(Max).
Raid-6. Flawless. Noise is an issue as expected with 5 spinner but it is headless so you can hide it anywhere you have access to a LAN port/power.
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OP's Dell 1800 would be perfect running OMV ... if indeed has SATA interface inside that can install up to 6 drives I believe.

 

[Deltaman]

Here is the cable with the other end. And this filter I took off, filter isn't in here I just put there for pic. This cable was needed for the cd ripper which was in the old case.

 

[linuxfan]

EDIT
Ah, maybe your power supply has only one SATA power plug. If so, you will probably need to adapt the molex connector to a second SATA power plug -
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Molex-Power-Adapter/dp/B00STNUB04

 

[Deltaman]

That photo I have sucks. I see what I need in that link you sent. I'd like to find better quality cables rather than a $7 Chinese crap stolen idea, trying to boycott all Chinese products for now.

 

[linuxfan]

Sure, just go to a reputable computer parts retailer.
Remember you need a second SATA cable, too, so maybe buy that at the same time.

 

[Deltaman]

Sure, just go to a reputable computer parts retailer.
Remember you need a second SATA cable, too, so maybe buy that at the same time.

Are these called a data or hot cable? I already have the larger one that plugs into one side of the hard drive but I need the smaller 7 pin that plugs into the mother board and into the hard drive next to the larger one! Sata hot plug? I see them called sata data?

 

[somebodyelse]

https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/cables/sata-cables

 

[linuxfan]

You want a SATA data cable. 50cm seems to be the standard length, but shorter lengths are available if you prefer. They're also available with right-angle connectors, if you have awkward fitment in your case.

Sata hot plug?

I think this refers to an eSATA (external-SATA) or eSATAp (external-SATA-powered) connector or cable - it's not what you want.