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(Obliterated) OPPO BDP-105 Review (Blu-ray/DVD/SACD/CD Player)

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Hello everyone,

This is a review and measurements of the OPPO BDP-105 Blu-Ray, DVD, SACD, CD player and transport.
It is on a kind loan from the same friend who owns the OPPO BDP-95 that I previously reviewed.

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OPPO BDP-105 - Presentation

As wit the BDP-95, this is a Universal everything-Player which add a USB DAC input and removes the rear fan from its predecessor. It was released in 2012.
I'm sure most of you know much more than me about this unit, and I will be focusing on audio performance only.

Of course, you did not miss that this one is a ModWright OPPO BDP-105 Tubes Mods, with a tube output stage that was sold for a very high $2'495 at the time:

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I see some of you already delighted to know the "Truth" about this tube output stage. Unfortunately, the external power supply failed on the previous owner who, in rage, threw it away :facepalm:

So, the two main audio outputs are now mute:

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As with the BDP-95, we have a busy back panel, with an added ESB DAC input and no fan, but ventilation on the top. Note that the RCA on the right are updated too, as part of the ModWright update.

Let's have a look at the dusty inside:

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The tube output stage is positioned on top of the mechanic, there was not much more possibility.

The below is the main stereo audio board which, as opposed to the BDP-95, was physically separated from the multi-channel one:

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This one also received the optional "Bybee Music Rail Upgrade" at $225 and the website of ModWright says:
  • This upgrade can be installed on both the 2CH DAC and the MCH DAC.
  • The purpose of the Bybee rail is to SIGNIFICANTLY (MEASURABLE!) upgrade the quality of the power feeding a critical voltage to the DAC.
  • This translates to lower jitter and a lower noise floor. This is an entirely different technology than Bybee purifiers which we have also used for years now with great success. This is a breakthrough technology!
  • The upgrades improves resolution, detail and decay which leads to broader sound stage and a more natural musical presentation, with out edge or glare.
  • For more information: www.bybeelabs.com
Since the main outputs are mute, let's hope it makes its magic on the remaining multi channel outputs. It says it does, so crossing fingers because that's all I can test now!

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The below picture shows the upgraded Cardas RCAs, the XLR are stock:

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To finalize the review of the inside, I guess you saw that strange black box on top on the toroidal transformer, which was an additional upgrade at $400 called "The Pulse Gen ZX" and was an internal power supply enhancement to reduce the noise floor:

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There are only two wires going into it and I don't know where they come from, I'd need to dismantle the unit to know, but I won't do that :) The box is sealed and with a lot of efforts, it reveals:

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The main IC was painted and the top of the box is covered with glued with pink quartz :facepalm: Does it reduce the jitter too? o_O


User experience

My experience was the same as with the OPPO BDP-95, so the below in nearly a copy/paste of my feedback:
  • It's mandatory to use an external display, at minimum for the initial setup. Once correctly setup, you can use it to play SACD or CD without needing a screen.
  • The front display is big enough to be seen from a distance, but some information (such as DSD or PCM play) can only be seen when very close to it.
  • The front buttons are painful to use. They are touch sensitive but don't confirm they received an order. I used the remote control as a consequence.
  • Some audio options (eg HDCD ON/OFF) will be configurable only if there are no discs in the player.
  • It is necessary to read the very long user guide to get to understand how to tune this player, but that's also because of so many functions.
  • The drive is slow to load a disc because it will identify in its memory where the previous play stopped. But as opposed to the BDP-95, I found a menu to stop it from identifying the last position, and that devides by more than two the time to read the TOC of my 40+ tracks Test CD (5sec).
  • FFW and REW are painful as with all video players. Skipping a track is reasonably fast, faster than with the BDP-95 but the display is not as fast as the drive, so when pressing multilple times on "next" I ended up one too far track many times.
  • It is gapless playback!
  • It correctly decodes CDA with pre-emphasis without deviation from the expected curve.
  • It is much faster to skip tracks with an SACD than with an Audio CD, I don't recall that with the BDP-95

OPPO BDP-105 - Measurements (CD Player - RCA out)

All measurements performed with an E1DA Cosmos ADCiso (grade O), and the Cosmos Scaler (100kohms from unbalanced input) for analog outputs, and a Motu UltraLite Mk5 for digital.

I am now consistent with my specific measurements for CD Players, as I described them in the post “More than we hear”, and as I reported them for the Onkyo C-733 review. Over time, this will help comparing the devices I reviewed.

Because the main audio board is now mute, I had to use the secondary board the measurements which as shown with the BDP-95, is not really an issue since it performs really well, if not better.

The multichannel unbalanced RCA output 2Vrms. The channel imbalance was 0.03dB in SACD mode and a massive +3dB in left channel with Audio CD!

This is my standard measurement of a 999.91Hz sine (without dither) @0dBFS from the right channel:

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It's an OPPO, so we get the best of the Audio CD! This is basically a view of the original WAV file that was used to burn the CD.

Now, bad news, as this is the left channel:

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Because of the 3dB more in this channel, it clips the output channel (we see only 1.3dB more here at the output for 3dB more requested by the digital stage, so that is more than the headroom of the analog output stage).

As a matter of facts, at -6dBFS it does not clip anymore, but I see it outputs 2.97dB more than the right channel. The left channels outputs that near 3dB more at all levels, weird! EDIT: After investigation, there is a probable bug in the Sample Rate Converter, and the issue is the same if I force the OPPO to convert DSD to PCM. See more here.

So, let me quickly continue with the Right channel.

This is the same at -6dBFS (Right Channel ok):

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Again best in class here.

And the left channel is now good but shows 3dB more at the output:

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Volume control of the player does not change anything. I though this could come from the PCM interpolator so I tested with DSD and DSD to PCM convert, but no issue when the source is an SACD. So I don't have an explanation.

Ok, again, I'll focus on the right channel only for the rest of the review.

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I usually have a look at any potential PS related leakage, and you saw it before, there are none, even if I zoom:

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No PS related leakage, very good.

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Next is the bandwidth:

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This is very flat within -0.1dB.

And let's have a look at the job of the oversampling filter, with a wider bandwidth:

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Very nice! I had to increase the vertical scale down to -170dBr to see the noise floor, out of band! The attenuation is minimum -110dB, no signs of noise shaping. This is a sharp filter fully active at 24kHz. The artifacts of the dual tones are attenuated by -120dB, best in class, again.

Please appreciate the visual near absence of intermodulation distortion. Actually the software calculate -116dBr (4dB better than the OPPO BDP-95, noise floor being the one of the Audio CD.

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Let's have a look at the multitone test that a lot of you like very much:

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Nailed! Left channel is massively distorted on this test, because of the increased output.

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Oh yes, the jitter test:

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Started with the Teac VRDS-20 review, and on your request + support to get it done (more here), I'm adding now an "intersample-overs" test which intends to identify the behavior of the digital filtering and DAC when it come to process near clipping signals. Because of the oversampling, there might be interpolated data that go above 0dBFS and would saturate (clip) the DAC and therefore the output. And this effect shows through distorsion (THD+N measurement up to 96kHz):

Intersample-overs tests
Bandwidth of the THD+N measurements is 20Hz - 96kHz
5512.5 Hz sine,
Peak = +0.69dBFS
7350 Hz sine,
Peak = +1.25dBFS
11025 Hz sine,
Peak = +3.0dBFS
Teac VRDS-20-30.7dB-26.6dB-17.6dB
Yamaha CD-1-84.6dB-84.9dB-78.1dB
Denon DCD-900NE-34.2dB-27.1dB-19.1dB
Denon DCD-SA1-33.6dB-27.6dB-18.3dB
Onkyo C-733-88.3dB-40.4dB-21.2dB
Denon DCD-3560-30.2dB-24.7dB-17.4dB
Myryad Z210-70.6dB (noise dominated)-71.1dB (noise dominated)-29.4dB (H3 dominated)
Sony CDP-X333ES-30.5dB-24.8dB-16.3dB
BARCO-EMT 982-32.7dB-24.5dB-16.3dB
TASCAM CD-200-73.5dB-36.3dB-19.7dB
Sony CDP-597-30.4dB-24.7dB-16.5dB
SMSL PL100-53.1dB-31dB-19.1dB
OPPO BDP-95-39dB-28.8dB-19.2dB
OPPO BDP-95 (Vol -2dB)-95dB-97.5dB-32.7dB
OPPO BDP-105-39dB-29dB-19.9dB
OPPO BDP-105 (Vol -2dB)-95dB-97.4dB-33.1dB

The above results are nearly identical to those of the OPPO BDP-95. So my comments are the same. Basically, the oversampling interpolator does not have any headroom. But this player has volume control too. And look, if I reduce the volume by 2dB, then I get the best results so far, all dominated by digital noise due to the limit of the 16bits bit depth. Decreasing the volume by one more dB gives the same best result with 11'025Hz test file.

As with the BDP-95, it does not impact the performances to reduce the volume by 2dB.

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Let's continue with the good old 3DC measurement that Stereophile was often using as a proof of low noise DAC. It is from an undithered 997Hz sine at -90.31dBFS. With 16bits, the signal should appear (on a scope) as the 3DC levels of the smallest symmetrical sign magnitude digital signal:

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Again similar best in class result as with the OPPO BDP-95. There's nearly 0 noise added to this most fragile 16bits signal. The linearity is of course perfect. State of the art that so many recent dedicated CD players do not achieve...

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Other measurements (not shown):
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Analog" (18kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -112.3dB
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Digital" (17'987Hz & 19'997Hz 1:1) : -115.6dB
  • IMD AES-17 MD (41Hz & 7993Hz 4:1): -117.7dB
  • IMD DIN (250Hz & 8kHz 4:1) : -106.7dB
  • IMD CCIF (19kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -111.9dB
  • IMD SMPTE (60Hz & 7kHz 1:4) : -108.1dB
  • IMD TDFD Bass (41Hz & 89Hz 1:1) : -125.9dB
  • IMD TDFD (13'58Hz & 19841Hz 1:1) : -126.2dB
  • Dynamic Range : 98.9dB (without dither @-60dBFS)
  • Crosstalk: 100Hh (below -135dBr), 1kHz (below -135dBr), 10kHz (-127.9dBr)
  • Pitch Error : 19'997.47Hz (19'997Hz requested) ie 23.5ppm
  • Gapless playback : Yes
The IMD scores are best in class, a little better at low frequencies, a little worse at high frequencies, compared to the OPPO BDP-95.
The Dynamic range is the best that can be measured (unweighted) with the Audio CD.
Crosstalk also improve a little to be nearly hidden at all frequencies :)
But the pitch error is a much higher 23.5ppm (4ppm for the OPPO BDP-95). This is surprise. It's still more than enough for the Audio, but surprisingly low for OPPO.

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Last and not least, I like to run a THD vs Frequency sweep at -12dBFS as it shows how the conversion has evolved over time. I am currently using the beta version of REW and I discovered that this sweep gives better and more reliable results than before. I did not overlay with other CD players, because it's the best trace I got, again, and actually it is the same if I run the test from the digital output:

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As I did with the Sony CDP-597, I continue with a not so new now "max DAC resolution" measurement. It's performed from a 999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither. I restrict the THD+N span to 20Hz - 6kHz not to account for the noise of the shape dither beyond 6kHz. That gives me a local max resolution, which should be higher than 17bits as a proof that the CD Player can actually resolve more than the Audio CD.

Here are the results of the OPPO compared to others:

CD Player model or DACCalculated ENOB (999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither, THD+N span = 20Hz - 6kHz)Percentage of max resolution achieved (higher is better)
OPPO BDP-9518.7bits100.5%
SMLS PL20018.7bits100.5%
SMSL PS-200 (from CD player)18.6bits100%
OPPO BDP-10518.5bits99,4%
Denon DCD-900NE18.5bits99.4%
Onkyo C-73318bits96.7%
SMSL PL10017.9bits96.2%
Sony CDP-59717.5bits94%
Onkyo DX-735517.3bits93%
Denon DCD-356017.2bits92.5%
Yamaha CD-S30316.8bits90.3%
Accuphase DP-7016.6bits89.2%
Sony CDP-337ESD16.6bits89.2%
Teac VRDS-25x16.5bits88.7%
Marantz CD-7314.9bits80.1%

The BDP-105 does not repeat the excellent result of its predecessor, but that's not from the main stereo outputs, so I guess we can accept that :)


OPPO BDP-105- Testing the drive

Before going to SACD and 24bits specific measurements, let me talk about the drive tracking capabilities, since these tests are performed from a CD Audio.

What would be good measurements if the drive would not properly read a slightly scratched CD, or one that was created at the limits of the norm? The below tests reply to these questions.

Here are the results:

Test typeTechnical testResults
Variation of linear cutting velocityFrom 1.20m/s to 1.40m/sPass
Variation of track pitchFrom 1.5µm to 1.7µmPass
Combined variations of track pitch and velocityFrom 1.20m/s & 1.5µm to 1.40m/s & 1.7µmPass
HF detection (asymmetry pitch/flat ratio)Variation from 2% to 18%Pass
Dropouts resistanceFrom 0.05mm (0.038ms) to 4mm (3.080ms)2.5mm
Combined dropouts and smallest pitchFrom 1.5µm & 1mm to 1.5µm & 2.4mmPass
Successive dropoutsFrom 2x0.1mm to 2x3mm2.4mm

Again, the BDP-105 does not repeat the perfection of the BDP-95, but the above are very good results.


OPPO BDP-105 - Digital Output (from Audio CD)

So we have a very good performer, unfortunately very sick. Hopefully, after setting HDCD OFF, we get a perfect digital output:

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With HDCD off, the bitstream is therefore "perfect". My ultimate proof is when I reuse the intersample overs test at 5512.50Hz, with a phase shift of 67.5°, like I did for the TASCAM CD-200 review. This signal generates an overshoot of +0.69dB and so if the signal would be modified before being sent, it would show either a reduction of amplitude or we'd see some sort of saturation/increase noise/distorsion. So here we go, and it's the same as the original WAV file:

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Partial conclusion (As a CD Player)

I was initially happy to get to test the BDP-105. Alas, this one suffers many issues.

But despite the rough life it had, we can still see some very good, best in class measurements.

I don't know what to think about this modified player and being from Switzerland, I'm into neutrality. But it is very sad for me to see what little remains of what certainly was an amazing universal player.

I'll continue in a next post with 24bits PCM tests and SACD too.

PS: I forgot to test the headphones output. It’d be interesting to know if it escapes the issue. It could be the case if it does not share the same output stage and I guess it doesn’t.
 
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A warning for anyone striving to make a perfect thing "better", whatever that means :facepalm:
 

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What is the reason for this in your thread, I'm confused by this?
TIA Sal1950
 
OPPO BDP-105 - Measurements (As a DAC - USB in)

My Windows 11 computer had no issue to recognize the OPPO audio interface as "OPPO USB Audio Device".

For the tests to come, I tried to align to the best of my knowledge with the way @amirm performs his tests with the AP, not only on the tests themselves, but also on the setup of the analyzer, such as sampling rate, FFT length, averages, low pass filters and weighting curves.

The performances I'm about to report were the same from a USB key.

All tests below were performed from the multichannel outputs, which are fed by a secondary ESS 8 channels DAC, since the main audio board is now mute. I used the "FR" and "FL" outputs.

Let's start with the very standard dashboard of the 1kHz test tone at 0dBFS (volume set to 0 on the OPPO, ie 2Vrms output from RCA):

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This is the left channel, on purpose, perfectly working from 24bits input, while it had +3dB deviation from the CDA. I don't have an explanation. I suspected several causes but ruled out all of them, so I just don't know.

Anyway, the left channel shows a SINAD of 115.9dB and that would put the OPPO in the "Excellent" category of Amir's reviews, nothing less. The total distortion is at an extremely low -130dBr. We see a little spike from mains (50Hz - Europe) below -135dBr, negligible. The foot of the fundamental shows a low correlated random noise, as seen with the OPPO BDP-95, but less so here. Right channel is a little weaker with 114.6dB SINAD.

On the Dynamic Range side, I got 119dB (CCIR weighted) which is very respectable. Note that with the ancient A-weighted curve, this translates to a DR of 122.6dB, as many suppliers still use that weighted curve. These are very good values for the age and fact this is coming from a universal player.

Multitone performance is very good with very low distortion (both channels shown):

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The above is from the WAV file that @amirm shared some time ago and is the multitone test from the Audio Precision. So that helps to compare with the other reviews here.
We have low noise, frequency dependent, at lowest frequencies. But the OPPO ensures distortion free range from 20 to 22bits!

The Jitter test is nearly nailed:

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We still see that low random noise at the foot of the fundamental, below -140dBr, meaning we can ignore it.

Linearity is perfect with only 0.2dB deviation at -120dBFs:

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The next view is the 50Hz Stereophile test tone showing max distortion at -120dBr (very good). Unfortunately, this is not under 640ohm since I can't get down to that load with RCA output. I'll update when I find a solution

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It still is an interesting trace showing some low level random noise generated at low frequencies and that I've seen all along testing the OPPO. This is very low and will remain easily hidden into music.

The below is the THD+N test vs frequencies performed at 48kHz sampling rate, including all noise up to 90kHz:

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This is a very good trace for a universal player! We have very low ultrasonic noise, as usual with an ESS DAC.

Last and not least, I can't show the IMD sweep as Amir performs it, but I see the famous ESS hump on my test. Therefore, the below view is not directly comparable with the one of Amir, but still explicit enough:

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We clearly see the very typical ESS hump from -40dBFS to -25dBFS.

I already published the filter response when testing the CDA section, so I won't repeat, it's the same very good attenuation and absence of rising low noise at ultra-sonic frequencies.


OPPO BDP-105 Measurements (SACD)

Unfortunately, I can't create an SACD test disc, so I used the one from Denon.

As with the BDP-95, it is necessary to disable HDMI bitstream output to get the DSD data to be directly converted (ie not converted to PCM before). The setup is this one (HDMI Off, SACD Output DSD, rest does not matter):

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Note that there is the possibility to force conversion of DSD native signal to PCM before analog conversion but that leaves only the 2 main stereo channels active, out of total 6 of the SACD. In DSD native mode, no issue, the 6 channels work fine.

Back to the Denon Test SACD. It has some test files, and the main one is a sine tone 1kHz @-16dBSACD (=-16dBFS per Denon’s information) in DSD direct conversion mode:

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This is the Left channel, proof again that it works here with DSD native signal.

I got the same performance in multi channel (the 6 of them), this is, for instance, the same measurement from SW output of the OPPO:

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This is again from direct DSD conversion.

Now, let's try the same, but with DSD to PCM conversion prior to convert to analog:

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Haha, I finally found the culprit and the reason for the left channel to show 3dB more, as I saw when testing with Audio CD (16bits).
So, that is not an analog issue from the output stage, but a digital one. I suspect a Sample Rate Converter (SRC) being invoked when the signal to convert is not PCM 24bits or DSD native, and/or anytime a conversion to PCM24bits is required before feeding the DAC.

As I saw and report, DSD to PCM convert generates the same issue of 3dB more being output in left channel as with 16bits. In these two cases, there is a necessary conversion from the initial signal to 24bits PCM. And that process has a bug in left channel when the SRC is invoked. That is my guess.
In a nutshell, the bug expresses itself this way:
  • 24bits PCM native : no issue
  • DSD native : no issue
  • 16bits PCM to 24bits PCM : +3dB in left channel
  • DSD to 24bits PCM : +3dB in left channel
  • Headphone out : no issue whatever format is used
Fact that the headphones output does not suffer the channel imbalance issue could be because it's not sourced from the multichannel board. I'd need the internal schematics to double-check.

Rest of the measurements I got are identical to those of the OPPO BDP-95 in SACD mode, so I won't repeat.

About the digital output, when it's not blocked (when playing SACD), I could not find an issue, meaning no ASRC is involved as far as I could tell (eg. I forced 48kHz LPCM output on SPDIF but I got unmodified 44.1kHz PCM from CD Audio).


Final Conclusion

Besides the mod that indirectly killed the main audio board, we get a very nice player, with high performances.

Now, that bug in left channel of the secondary board (the one multichannel, at least) is a concern. As a matter of facts, I just realized that @amirm briefly reviewed the OPPO BDP-105, 7 years ago, and assumed a lower order bit stuck, which could be a related issue.

For you owning this player, it might be safe not to use the multichannel analog outputs and stick to digital output, which I guess you do via HDMI.

Else, since I can't check the main 2 channels audio board, I can't verify if the issue with digital conversion (SRC) repeats. In case of doubts, play only native 24bits PCM files or DSD ones as I could not see issues, from USB input (Computer and usb key) nor from SACD (when playing DSD native).

All of this is not as nice as what I measured and reported with the BDP-95.

Cheers
 
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Reserved for SACD and PCM 24bits tests.
Sorry but Is that a response to my question??

Definition,
"To be obliterated means to be destroyed completely, to be wiped out so that nothing is left, or to have all signs of something erased or made unrecognizable. The word can refer to physical destruction, such as a building being obliterated by an explosion, or the erasure of ideas or memories"
 
Sorry but Is that a response to my question??

Definition,
"To be obliterated means to be destroyed completely, to be wiped out so that nothing is left, or to have all signs of something erased or made unrecognizable. The word can refer to physical destruction, such as a building being obliterated by an explosion, or the erasure of ideas or memories"
Why don't You await an answer, as all we others? @NTTY is as serious as possible, never left any open question.
 
To me, a magnificent (CD) Player, with a top DAC, perfectly implemented to deliver best in class analog output, rendered nearly totally mute by so many unecessary mods, yes, it’s been totally wiped. And that is why I titled obliterated. It’s rough, but this OPPO did not deserve any of that.

That said, it still plays on one last channel, I must admit, and surprisingly we can still enjoy SACD multichannel output, and that puzzles me. I guess I should appreciate the resilience of OPPO’s initial build.

Digital output is untouched too, but higher than usual clock deviation impacts it. An external DAC PLL won’t have an issue with that, so it’s kind of ok, but that’s a performance from the previous century.
 
Hello everyone,

This is a review and measurements of the OPPO BDP-105 Blu-Ray, DVD, SACD, CD player and transport.
It is on a kind loan from the same friend who owns the OPPO BDP-95 that I previously reviewed.

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OPPO BDP-105 - Presentation

As wit the BDP-95, this is a Universal everything-Player which add a USB DAC input and removes the rear fan from its predecessor. It was released in 2012.
I'm sure most of you know much more than me about this unit, and I will be focusing on audio performance only.

Of course, you did not miss that this one is a ModWright OPPO BDP-105 Tubes Mods, with a tube output stage that was sold for a very high $2'495 at the time:

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I see some of you already delighted to know the "Truth" about this tube output stage. Unfortunately, the external power supply failed on the previous owner who, in rage, threw it away :facepalm:

So, the two main audio outputs are now mute:

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As with the BDP-95, we have a busy back panel, with an added ESB DAC input and no fan, but ventilation on the top. Note that the RCA on the right are updated too, as part of the ModWright update.

Let's have a look at the dusty inside:

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The tube output stage is positioned on top of the mechanic, there was not much more possibility.

The below is the main stereo audio board which, as opposed to the BDP-95, was physically separated from the multi-channel one:

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This one also received the optional "Bybee Music Rail Upgrade" at $225 and the website of ModWright says:
  • This upgrade can be installed on both the 2CH DAC and the MCH DAC.
  • The purpose of the Bybee rail is to SIGNIFICANTLY (MEASURABLE!) upgrade the quality of the power feeding a critical voltage to the DAC.
  • This translates to lower jitter and a lower noise floor. This is an entirely different technology than Bybee purifiers which we have also used for years now with great success. This is a breakthrough technology!
  • The upgrades improves resolution, detail and decay which leads to broader sound stage and a more natural musical presentation, with out edge or glare.
  • For more information: www.bybeelabs.com
Since the main outputs are mute, let's hope it makes its magic on the remaining multi channel outputs. It says it does, so crossing fingers because that's all I can test now!

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The below picture shows the upgraded Cardas RCAs, the XLR are stock:

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To finalize the review of the inside, I guess you saw that strange black box on top on the toroidal transformer, which was an additional upgrade at $400 called "The Pulse Gen ZX" and was an internal power supply enhancement to reduce the noise floor:

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There are only two wires going into it and I don't know where they come from, I'd need to dismantle the unit to know, but I won't do that :) The box is sealed and with a lot of efforts, it reveals:

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The main IC was painted and the top of the box is covered with glued with pink quartz :facepalm: Does it reduce the jitter too? o_O


User experience

My experience was the same as with the OPPO BDP-95, so the below in nearly a copy/paste of my feedback:
  • It's mandatory to use an external display, at minimum for the initial setup. Once correctly setup, you can use it to play SACD or CD without needing a screen.
  • The front display is big enough to be seen from a distance, but some information (such as DSD or PCM play) can only be seen when very close to it.
  • The front buttons are painful to use. They are touch sensitive but don't confirm they received an order. I used the remote control as a consequence.
  • Some audio options (eg HDCD ON/OFF) will be configurable only if there are no discs in the player.
  • It is necessary to read the very long user guide to get to understand how to tune this player, but that's also because of so many functions.
  • The drive is slow to load a disc because it will identify in its memory where the previous play stopped. But as opposed to the BDP-95, I found a menu to stop it from identifying the last position, and that devides by more than two the time to read the TOC of my 40+ tracks Test CD (5sec).
  • FFW and REW are painful as with all video players. Skipping a track is reasonably fast, faster than with the BDP-95 but the display is not as fast as the drive, so when pressing multilple times on "next" I ended up one too far track many times.
  • It is gapless playback!
  • It correctly decodes CDA with pre-emphasis without deviation from the expected curve.
  • It is much faster to skip tracks with an SACD than with an Audio CD, I don't recall that with the BDP-95

OPPO BDP-105 - Measurements (CD Player - RCA out)

All measurements performed with an E1DA Cosmos ADCiso (grade O), and the Cosmos Scaler (100kohms from unbalanced input) for analog outputs, and a Motu UltraLite Mk5 for digital.

I am now consistent with my specific measurements for CD Players, as I described them in the post “More than we hear”, and as I reported them for the Onkyo C-733 review. Over time, this will help comparing the devices I reviewed.

Because the main audio board is now mute, I had to use the secondary board the measurements which as shown with the BDP-95, is not really an issue since it performs really well, if not better.

The multichannel unbalanced RCA output 2Vrms. The channel imbalance was 0.03dB in SACD mode and a massive +3dB in left channel with Audio CD!

This is my standard measurement of a 999.91Hz sine (without dither) @0dBFS from the right channel:

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It's an OPPO, so we get the best of the Audio CD! This is basically a view of the original WAV file that was used to burn the CD.

Now, bad news, as this is the left channel:

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Because of the 3dB more in this channel, it clips the output channel (we see only 1-3dB more here, probable being the max headroom of the output stage).
As a matter of facts, at -6dBFS it does not clip anymore, but I see it outputs 2.97dB more than the right channel. The left channels outputs that near 3dB more at all levels, weird!

Interestingly enough, SACD (DSD mode), is not affected by the issue.

So, let me quickly continue with the Right channel.

This is the same at -6dBFS (Right Channel ok):

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Again best in class here.

And the left channel is now good but shows 3dB more at the output:

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Volume control of the player does not change anything. I though this could come from the PCM interpolator so I tested with DSD and DSD to PCM convert, but no issue when the source is an SACD. So I don't have an explanation.

Ok, again, I'll focus on the right channel only for the rest of the review.

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I usually have a look at any potential PS related leakage, and you saw it before, there are none, even if I zoom:

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No PS related leakage, very good.

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Next is the bandwidth:

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This is very flat within -0.1dB.

And let's have a look at the job of the oversampling filter, with a wider bandwidth:

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Very nice! I had to increase the vertical scale down to -170dBr to see the noise floor, out of band! The attenuation is minimum -110dB, no signs of noise shaping. This is a sharp filter fully active at 24kHz. The artifacts of the dual tones are attenuated by -120dB, best in class, again.

Please appreciate the visual near absence of intermodulation distortion. Actually the software calculate -116dBr (4dB better than the OPPO BDP-95, noise floor being the one of the Audio CD.

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Let's have a look at the multitone test that a lot of you like very much:

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Nailed! Left channel is massively distorted on this test, because of the increased output.

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Oh yes, the jitter test:

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Started with the Teac VRDS-20 review, and on your request + support to get it done (more here), I'm adding now an "intersample-overs" test which intends to identify the behavior of the digital filtering and DAC when it come to process near clipping signals. Because of the oversampling, there might be interpolated data that go above 0dBFS and would saturate (clip) the DAC and therefore the output. And this effect shows through distorsion (THD+N measurement up to 96kHz):

Intersample-overs tests
Bandwidth of the THD+N measurements is 20Hz - 96kHz
5512.5 Hz sine,
Peak = +0.69dBFS
7350 Hz sine,
Peak = +1.25dBFS
11025 Hz sine,
Peak = +3.0dBFS
Teac VRDS-20-30.7dB-26.6dB-17.6dB
Yamaha CD-1-84.6dB-84.9dB-78.1dB
Denon DCD-900NE-34.2dB-27.1dB-19.1dB
Denon DCD-SA1-33.6dB-27.6dB-18.3dB
Onkyo C-733-88.3dB-40.4dB-21.2dB
Denon DCD-3560-30.2dB-24.7dB-17.4dB
Myryad Z210-70.6dB (noise dominated)-71.1dB (noise dominated)-29.4dB (H3 dominated)
Sony CDP-X333ES-30.5dB-24.8dB-16.3dB
BARCO-EMT 982-32.7dB-24.5dB-16.3dB
TASCAM CD-200-73.5dB-36.3dB-19.7dB
Sony CDP-597-30.4dB-24.7dB-16.5dB
SMSL PL100-53.1dB-31dB-19.1dB
OPPO BDP-95-39dB-28.8dB-19.2dB
OPPO BDP-95 (Vol -2dB)-95dB-97.5dB-32.7dB
OPPO BDP-105-39dB-29dB-19.9dB
OPPO BDP-105 (Vol -2dB)-95dB-97.4dB-33.1dB

The above results are nearly identical to those of the OPPO BDP-95. So my comments are the same. Basically, the oversampling interpolator does not have any headroom. But this player has volume control too. And look, if I reduce the volume by 2dB, then I get the best results so far, all dominated by digital noise due to the limit of the 16bits bit depth. Decreasing the volume by one more dB gives the same best result with 11'025Hz test file.

As with the BDP-95, it does not impact the performances to reduce the volume by 2dB.

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Let's continue with the good old 3DC measurement that Stereophile was often using as a proof of low noise DAC. It is from an undithered 997Hz sine at -90.31dBFS. With 16bits, the signal should appear (on a scope) as the 3DC levels of the smallest symmetrical sign magnitude digital signal:

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Again similar best in class result as with the OPPO BDP-95. There's nearly 0 noise added to this most fragile 16bits signal. The linearity is of course perfect. State of the art that so many recent dedicated CD players do not achieve...

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Other measurements (not shown):
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Analog" (18kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -112.3dB
  • IMD AES-17 DFD "Digital" (17'987Hz & 19'997Hz 1:1) : -115.6dB
  • IMD AES-17 MD (41Hz & 7993Hz 4:1): -117.7dB
  • IMD DIN (250Hz & 8kHz 4:1) : -106.7dB
  • IMD CCIF (19kHz & 20kHz 1:1) : -111.9dB
  • IMD SMPTE (60Hz & 7kHz 1:4) : -108.1dB
  • IMD TDFD Bass (41Hz & 89Hz 1:1) : -125.9dB
  • IMD TDFD (13'58Hz & 19841Hz 1:1) : -126.2dB
  • Dynamic Range : 98.9dB (without dither @-60dBFS)
  • Crosstalk: 100Hh (below -135dBr), 1kHz (below -135dBr), 10kHz (-127.9dBr)
  • Pitch Error : 19'997.47Hz (19'997Hz requested) ie 23.5ppm
  • Gapless playback : Yes
The IMD scores are best in class, a little better at low frequencies, a little worse at high frequencies, compared to the OPPO BDP-95.
The Dynamic range is the best that can be measured (unweighted) with the Audio CD.
Crosstalk also improve a little to be nearly hidden at all frequencies :)
But the pitch error is a much higher 23.5ppm (4ppm for the OPPO BDP-95). This is surprise. It's still more than enough for the Audio, but surprisingly low for OPPO.

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Last and not least, I like to run a THD vs Frequency sweep at -12dBFS as it shows how the conversion has evolved over time. I am currently using the beta version of REW and I discovered that this sweep gives better and more reliable results than before. I did not overlay with other CD players, because it's the best trace I got, again, and actually it is the same if I run the test from the digital output:

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As I did with the Sony CDP-597, I continue with a not so new now "max DAC resolution" measurement. It's performed from a 999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither. I restrict the THD+N span to 20Hz - 6kHz not to account for the noise of the shape dither beyond 6kHz. That gives me a local max resolution, which should be higher than 17bits as a proof that the CD Player can actually resolve more than the Audio CD.

Here are the results of the OPPO compared to others:

CD Player model or DACCalculated ENOB (999.91Hz sine @-12dBFS with shape dither, THD+N span = 20Hz - 6kHz)Percentage of max resolution achieved (higher is better)
OPPO BDP-9518.7bits100.5%
SMLS PL20018.7bits100.5%
SMSL PS-200 (from CD player)18.6bits100%
OPPO BDP-10518.5bits99,4%
Denon DCD-900NE18.5bits99.4%
Onkyo C-73318bits96.7%
SMSL PL10017.9bits96.2%
Sony CDP-59717.5bits94%
Onkyo DX-735517.3bits93%
Denon DCD-356017.2bits92.5%
Yamaha CD-S30316.8bits90.3%
Accuphase DP-7016.6bits89.2%
Sony CDP-337ESD16.6bits89.2%
Teac VRDS-25x16.5bits88.7%
Marantz CD-7314.9bits80.1%

The BDP-105 does not repeat the excellent result of its predecessor, but that's not from the main stereo outputs, so I guess we can accept that :)


OPPO BDP-105- Testing the drive

Before going to SACD and 24bits specific measurements, let me talk about the drive tracking capabilities, since these tests are performed from a CD Audio.

What would be good measurements if the drive would not properly read a slightly scratched CD, or one that was created at the limits of the norm? The below tests reply to these questions.

Here are the results:

Test typeTechnical testResults
Variation of linear cutting velocityFrom 1.20m/s to 1.40m/sPass
Variation of track pitchFrom 1.5µm to 1.7µmPass
Combined variations of track pitch and velocityFrom 1.20m/s & 1.5µm to 1.40m/s & 1.7µmPass
HF detection (asymmetry pitch/flat ratio)Variation from 2% to 18%Pass
Dropouts resistanceFrom 0.05mm (0.038ms) to 4mm (3.080ms)2.5mm
Combined dropouts and smallest pitchFrom 1.5µm & 1mm to 1.5µm & 2.4mmPass
Successive dropoutsFrom 2x0.1mm to 2x3mm2.4mm

Again, the BDP-105 does not repeat the perfection of the BDP-95, but the above are very good results.


OPPO BDP-105 - Digital Output (from Audio CD)

So we have a very good performer, unfortunately very sick. Hopefully, after setting HDCD OFF, we get a perfect digital output:

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With HDCD off, the bitstream is therefore "perfect". My ultimate proof is when I reuse the intersample overs test at 5512.50Hz, with a phase shift of 67.5°, like I did for the TASCAM CD-200 review. This signal generates an overshoot of +0.69dB and so if the signal would be modified before being sent, it would show either a reduction of amplitude or we'd see some sort of saturation/increase noise/distorsion. So here we go, and it's the same as the original WAV file:

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Partial conclusion (As a CD Player)

I was initially happy to get to test the BDP-105. Alas, this one suffers many issues.

But despite the rough life it had, we can still see some very good, best in class measurements.

I don't know what to think about this modified player and being from Switzerland, I'm into neutrality. But it is very sad for me to see what little remains of what certainly was an amazing universal player.

I'll continue in a next post with 24bits PCM tests and SACD too.

PS: I forgot to test the headphones output. It’d be interesting to know if it escapes the issue. It could be the case if it does not share the same output stage and I guess it doesn’t.
If Joan Crawford owned an Oppo BDP-105, this is what "Mommie Dearest" would do to it.
 
I did not. I reserved this post for further measurements of PCM 24bits and SACD.
Thanks, since our posts were just 5 minutes apart I naturally felt you were replying to me.
In any case, I now understand your title, at first thinking we may have been suffering from a language barrier.

We've seen so much of the situation your refer to, really great gear being modified with tube circuits only to totally mess up their overall performance.
It's been many a decade since a tubes could outperform well designed SS. Only for its resistance from the influence of radioactivity is one that
immediately comes to mind. ;)
 
Thanks, since our posts were just 5 minutes apart I naturally felt you were replying to me.
In any case, I now understand your title, at first thinking we may have been suffering from a language barrier.

We've seen so much of the situation your refer to, really great gear being modified with tube circuits only to totally mess up their overall performance.
It's been many a decade since a tubes could outperform well designed SS. Only for its resistance from the influence of radioactivity is one that
immediately comes to mind. ;)
When I was writing the review, I had a crash of my browser, and when I reconnected, all was gone, while the forum would usually keep in memory what I previously wrote. So I started all over again. And when I published, I realized it saved everything I wrote at first place and mixed the two, creating a big mess. I had to update the initial post many times to correct all of that. And I should have posted right away the second message to reserve the space for 24bits and SACD tests. But in the meantime @respice finem and you replied to the first post, hence the confusion.

I need to perform complementary measurements from SACD, and I should be able to finalize the review in the course of the week.
 
When I was writing the review, I had a crash of my browser, and when I reconnected, all was gone,
Just a hint if your not aware. When writing large posts, occasionally click in the little floppy disc icon on the far right of that posts tool bar and click "Save".
The forum software does automatically save your work on the semi-regular basis but I like to know it been done for sure. ;)
 
I've used those exact same RCA jacks on a number of projects in the past, but became frustrated at needing to constantly jiggle connectors to restore signal: 100% distortion! They're alright when new, but in lieu of any springy contact material, they rely entirely on close-tolerance machining for good electrical connections, but the base copper material erodes a lot faster than nickel-plated steel.
 
I will soon publish some measurements with PCM 24bits and SACD. What completely puzzles me is that the issue I spotted with the CDA does not exist from the USB input nor SACD. The left channel behaves properly. So, I just don't get it.
EDIT: I'm done with all measurements and I updated the respective posts.
 
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I just saw your update in post #4.

Very interesting, as usual!

I reminded Amirm findings about the bug in his friend's BDP-105 as well. One player plagued by a bug is an accident; two begins to become a bit concerning.

That raises the question about quality control of late Oppo Blue-Ray disc players compared to earlier ones, unless something was seriously messed up by ModWright in this particular player. There is also the possibility that this Oppo is affected by a firmware issue later corrected by the manufacturer. Was the latest available firmware released by Oppo installed on the DUT?
 
All that work and expense just to ruin a player that was already amazing. Guess it is worth it for people that like noise and distortion and consider it warmth.
 
I just saw your update in post #4.

Very interesting, as usual!

I reminded Amirm findings about the bug in his friend's BDP-105 as well. One player plagued by a bug is an accident; two begins to become a bit concerning.

That raises the question about quality control of late Oppo Blue-Ray disc players compared to earlier ones, unless something was seriously messed up by ModWright in this particular player. There is also the possibility that this Oppo is affected by a firmware issue later corrected by the manufacturer. Was the latest available firmware released by Oppo installed on the DUT?
From my testing, it really seems to be a digital process mistake, and all the mods in that OPPO are unlikely to cause that type of issue.
Headphones output was not affected, so there's hope that the main audio board does not suffer the issue. But with the multichannel outputs, I got the issue.

The good news is that the digital output remained unaffected, as well as when playing native 24bits format, or DSD. But it can't be trusted as a CD player, and don't use the DSD to PCM conversion, together with FL and FR outputs. In case of doubts, a test tone played @0dBFS (or less) and a true RMS voltmeter to compare Vrms output on left (FL) and right (FR) channels should be enough.
 
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