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In most cases we are talking not about listening rooms but modern hard surface Living rooms that if you not lucky dominated by the WAF.

Who are we talking about here? Regular folks or people who really care about sound quality, like audiophiles?

You very rarely see audiophiles who complained that they haven’t managed to get good sound in their room, and many don’t have fully dedicated listening rooms.

What matters most is that a customer is happy with the level of sound quality they’re getting balanced against whatever length they are willing, or not willing to go, in terms of accommodating the equipment with room, treatment, etc.

I don’t know could be a Dutch habit lots of these people (in audio buisiness) are self centered an pushing more or less their believes mostly older people looks like they are disconnected from the latest developments never heard of ASR :facepalm: . I got more or less this self centerd feeling also with Ojas agreed quite subjective observation my side

I got precisely the opposite impression from the interviews. I’ve seen with Devon. He seems very chill, modest, non-pushy guy who is simply stating his passion for a particular type of audio equipment and sound, that he knows is something of a niche. But also that he’s found other people can also be moved by that sound, and he loves sharing that experience.

He comes off as more self-aware and not pushing his approach as “ the only right way” then you get sometimes on ASR frankly.
 
Who are we talking about here? Regular folks or people who really care about sound quality, like audiophiles?




I got precisely the opposite impression from the interviews. I’ve seen with Devon
IMO regular people or Audiophiles both can’t be put in a box an describe with a fixed definition.
If I learned one thing about serious audio reproduction it is the most Subjective hobby I ever encountered. An that is fine if I see somebody relaxed an tap his feet he or she likes the audio waves an probably gear, CD, vinyl, streaming, surrounding etc. thats what it is all about IMO.
So I can elaborate about the people with serious audio gear that I encountered some are friends family or known people but to describe them as regular or audiophiles (probably something in between) we end up in a endless discussion .
I know most of them have hard surface Living rooms were they have their gear not really optimal conditions for best audio reproduction. Especially if you experience an audio/listening audition in a more or less treated room.


Regarding Ojas an his presentations I don’t trust this guy (to slick) but again this is a subjective opinion.
Lets agree to disagree ;)
 
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IMO regular people or Audiophiles both can’t be put in a box an describe with a fixed definition.
If I learned one thing about serious audio reproduction it is the most Subjective hobby I ever encountered. An that is fine if I see somebody relaxed an tap his feet he or she likes the audio waves an probably gear, CD, vinyl, streaming, surrounding etc. thats what it is all about IMO.
So I can elaborate about the people with serious audio gear that I encountered some are friends family or known people but to describe them as regular or audiophiles (probably something in between) we end up in a endless discussion .
I know most of them have hard surface Living rooms were they have their gear not really optimal conditions for best audio reproduction. Especially if you experience an audio/listening audition in a more or less treated room.


Regarding Ojas an his presentations I don’t trust this guy (to slick) but again this is a subjective opinion.
Lets agree to disagree ;)

Sure, looks like we have a little bit of different perspective on this. That’s cool.
 
Regarding Ojas an his presentations I don’t trust this guy (to slick) but again this is a subjective opinion.
Lets agree to disagree ;)
This topic piqued my interest so I have searched out his interviews and posts and he seems reasonably transparent to me. He is happy to tell folks where they can source his components and where his inspirations come from. Is he trying to make a living and does he live in an expensive part of the world? Yes and yes... both of these facts factor into the prices.

I think at a superficial glance and he may come off as a hipster trying to make a fast buck, but taking a deeper dive, I don't see that way..
 
This topic piqued my interest so I have searched out his interviews and posts and he seems reasonably transparent to me. He is happy to tell folks where they can source his components and where his inspirations come from. Is he trying to make a living and does he live in an expensive part of the world? Yes and yes... both of these facts factor into the prices.

I think at a superficial glance and he may come off as a hipster trying to make a fast buck, but taking a deeper dive, I don't see that way..
Same, he was quoted in this opinion piece and he came across as more reasonable than the author: https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/sfmoma-hifi-listening-room-19656308.php ... his stuff is definitely expensive for what it is, and the fashion aspect is much stronger than the technical, but I would not consider him part of the snake oil contingent. He's basically just more interested in vintage sound than I am.
 
He's basically just more interested in vintage sound than I am.
There is interested and then there is interested.

I am interested enough to drive 3/4 the way across the US to visit the Klipsch Museum which I did this summer. (I was not disappointed.) I am interested enough to enjoy reading about it and marveling at what the engineers at Bell Labs, RCA, and others were able to do in the early 20th century, but do I want to have that as my conduit to the music I love? No, not really.

But folks I have known are very happy with that sound... I say good for them.
 
There is interested and then there is interested.

I am interested enough to drive 3/4 the way across the US to visit the Klipsch Museum which I did this summer. (I was not disappointed.) I am interested enough to enjoy reading about it and marveling at what the engineers at Bell Labs, RCA, and others were able to do in the early 20th century, but do I want to have that as my conduit to the music I love? No, not really.

But folks I have known are very happy with that sound... I say good for them.
Right, good point. Interested academically vs. interested in actually listening to that stuff in 2024 are two different things. Wax cylinders were amazing technology... for the time.
 
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That manufacturor in Oklahoma is Great Plains Audio, an spinofff of the old Altec Lansing that still produces the old legendaric drivers with the old tooling, and sell them for big money. The founders were working at the orignal Altec factory, and bought the tooling and rights to the old designs (but not the name) when that was closed after bankrupticy in 1984. Anybody can order those parts, but they are expensive...

That old 30" subwoofer is an Fostex FW800SH, still in production if you order it (build on order in batches).

Those are all not that hard to find, they just cost a lot of money because of the history of those.
 
That manufacturor in Oklahoma is Great Plains Audio, an spinofff of the old Altec Lansing that still produces the old legendaric drivers with the old tooling, and sell them for big money. The founders were working at the orignal Altec factory, and bought the tooling and rights to the old designs (but not the name) when that was closed after bankrupticy in 1984. Anybody can order those parts, but they are expensive...

That old 30" subwoofer is an Fostex FW800SH, still in production if you order it (build on order in batches).

Those are all not that hard to find, they just cost a lot of money because of the history of those.
Just a footnote to this post. The ownership of GPA changed hands "relatively" recently. The company is now operating as Great Plains Acoustics.
Their strategy seems to be (??) shifting away from hobbyist support towards OEM and their own systems, and prices seem (???) to be moving ever more stratospheric.
Time will tell what impact this will have on the (large) community of... umm... users. ;)
 
Right, good point. Interested academically vs. interested in actually listening to that stuff in 2024 are two different things. Wax cylinders were amazing technology... for the time.

whynotboth? I like listening to (and admiring) vintage setups as much as I do modern setups. They can both produce music I can enjoy, although not wax cylinders, though, obvs ;)
 
I’m sure members here are dying for this review:


Bit of a built in the basement aesthetic going on there.
 
I haven't checked out a Guttenberg YT review for a while, but I feel a little bit let down. At least Darko plays snippets of the music he enthuses about. There's no way Steve's voice alone is euphonic. :)
 
Basement built speakers for millennials who live in apartments and don't have basements to build in...

You've captured the product offering, the zeitgeist and the socio-economic drivers pretty nicely in only sixteen words.
 
Speak for yourself. Back to Hotel California then?
I did speak for myself.
Hotel California? What's that Song got to do with anything? (Unless you want me to tell you what I think about it: I generally don't).
 
I did speak for myself.
Hotel California? What's that Song got to do with anything?

To soothe your Ono drama, obviously. :)
 
To soothe your Ono drama, obviously. :)

No drama here (ever). I have even talked to her on the phone when she called a place I was at that was owned by one of the Beatles friends & I happened to be the person that answered the phone (I had no clue who she was until I found out later).
I simply never bought anything with her singing on it except for this one:

The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus (album)​

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For the concert show of the same name, see The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus.
The Rolling Stones
Rock and Roll Circus
Live album by
the Rolling Stones
The Rolling Stones chronology
Released14 October 1996
Recorded11–12 December 1968
GenreRock, blues rock, hard rock
Length59:05
LabelABKCO
DirectorMichael Lindsay-Hogg
ProducerJimmy Miller, Jody Klein, Lenne Allik
Stripped
(1995)
The Rolling Stones
Rock and Roll Circus

(1996)
Bridges to Babylon
(1997)
The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus is the fifth release of the Rolling Stones music by former manager Allen Klein's ABKCO Records (who gained control of the band's Decca/London material in 1970) after the band's departure from Decca and Klein. Released in 1996, The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus is a live album that captures the taping of their ill-fated 1968 TV special, which was not broadcast until almost three decades later.

Overview​

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Seeking an original way to promote the newly released Beggars Banquet, The Rolling Stones concocted the idea of recording a live extravaganza of music with a circus theme. They also invited guests to perform, among whom John Lennon (with Yoko Ono), The Who, Eric Clapton (fresh from the break-up of Cream), Taj Mahal, Jethro Tull (a short lived line-up featuring Tony Iommi), and Mick Jagger's then-current girlfriend, Marianne Faithfull, all took part. Specially for the occasion, Lennon, Clapton, Keith Richards (on bass) and Mitch Mitchell (of The Jimi Hendrix Experience) would form a one-time group entitled The Dirty Mac.
Recorded on 11 December into the early hours of the following day, the final results of most acts was positive, except for The Rolling Stones' performance (including the first ever appearance of "You Can't Always Get What You Want"), which they themselves felt was somewhat flat in places and lacked spark, especially when compared with both The Who's standout performance of "A Quick One While He's Away" and The Dirty Mac's rendition of The Beatles' "Yer Blues". Consequently, The Rolling Stones shelved the project with the intention of working on it further. However, with Brian Jones' death the following July, the project was left to gather dust.
The film was thought lost or destroyed, but parts were found in Ian Stewart's belongings following his death in 1985. A substantial portion of the film was still missing until it was rediscovered in 1993 in a Who vault in London. The film was completed in 1996 and premiered on 12 October 1996 at the Walter Reade Theater as part of the New York Film Festival.[1]
The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus album and a tie-in home video of the event was released in October 1996. The album reached #92 in the US at the Billboard 200. The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus DVD edition was released in October 2004. Fifteen years later, a limited U.S. remastered theatrical release of the film run during the first week of April 2019 in conjunction with what was—still then—the ongoing North American leg of the Rolling Stones' No Filter Tour (before it was later postponed).[2]
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2019 remastered reissue box set​

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On 30 April 2019, it was announced that the Rolling Stones would release on 7 June 2019 via ABKCO a new remastered Rock and Roll Circus (4-disc and 3LP vinyl) box set. The 2019 reissue would feature remastered audio and video from the original concert and some bonus material such as previously unreleased and never-before-heard recordings of the Beatles's "Revolution" and a "Warmup Jam" from impromptu John Lennon, Keith Richards, Mitch Mitchell, Eric Clapton supergroup, the Dirty Mac, as well as three additional Taj Mahal songs. A version of the Stones performing "Parachute Woman" would also be available only to stream. The film would also feature new commentary tracks from Richards, Mick Jagger, Michael Lindsay-Hogg, Yoko Ono, Marianne Faithfull and cinematographer Tony Richmond, plus an on-camera interview with Pete Townshend.[5][6]

Track listing​

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All songs by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, except where noted.
No.TitlePerforming artistLength
1."Mick Jagger's introduction of Rock and Roll Circus"0:25
2."Entry of the Gladiators" (Julius Fučík)0:55
3."Mick Jagger's introduction of Jethro Tull"0:11
4."A Song for Jeffrey†" (Ian Anderson)Jethro Tull3:26
5."Keith Richards' introduction of The Who"0:07
6."A Quick One, While He's Away" (Pete Townshend)The Who7:33
7."Over the Waves" (Juventino Rosas)0:45
8."Ain't That a Lot of Love" (Homer Banks, Willie Dean "Deanie" Parker)Taj Mahal3:48
9."Charlie Watts' introduction of Marianne Faithfull"0:06
10."Something Better" (Gerry Goffin, Barry Mann)Marianne Faithfull2:32
11."Mick Jagger's and John Lennon's introduction of The Dirty Mac"1:05
12."Yer Blues" (Lennon–McCartney)The Dirty Mac4:27
13."Whole Lotta Yoko" (Yoko Ono)The Dirty Mac, Yoko Ono, and Ivry Gitlis4:49
14."John Lennon's introduction of The Rolling Stones/Jumpin' Jack Flash"The Rolling Stones3:35
15."Parachute Woman"The Rolling Stones2:59
16."No Expectations"The Rolling Stones4:13
17."You Can't Always Get What You Want"The Rolling Stones4:24
18."Sympathy for the Devil"The Rolling Stones8:49
19."Salt of the Earth"The Rolling Stones4:57
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"Salt of the Earth" features the original Beggars Banquet music track with new live vocals† "Song for Jeffrey" ("A Song for Jeffrey") features the original This Was backing track with live vocals sung by Ian Anderson.
 
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I did speak for myself.
Hotel California? What's that Song got to do with anything? (Unless you want me to tell you what I think about it: I generally don't).
Purely speculation on my part:
 
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