Nuprime H16-A

[PGAMiami]

H16-AIP - Nuprime-X

The Nuprime-X H16-AIP is a high-performance Digital AV Home Theater Processor that supports immersive audio formats such as Dolby Atmos® and DTS:X®, with full eARC HDMI and 4K HDR video pass-through. It enables networked audio distribution via AES67, allowing decoded HDMI audio to be streamed...

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The Nuprime H16-A has the potential to be a real game changer. Couple this to a computer running a state of the art convulsion filter and a multichannel DAC and you could exceed the performance of most any of the $15,000 plus processors for a fraction of the price.

 

[Music1969]

you could exceed the performance of most any of the $15,000 plus processors for a fraction of the price.

Well you can already do such with PC + state of the art room correction + multichannel USB interface

Only difference is HDMI source and AoIP ?

 

[Vincentponcet]

Well you can already do such with PC + state of the art room correction + multichannel USB interface

Only difference is HDMI source and AoIP ?

+ Atmos and DTS:X which doesn't exist on PC with individual outputs

 

[PGAMiami]

The big news is HDMI source that includes Dolby Atmos decoding. Other than Arvus, that’s multiples more expensive and so far mostly vapor wear, I don’t know of any other.

 

[Music1969]

+ Atmos and DTS:X which doesn't exist on PC with individual outputs

People with macOS can do the Atmos stuff + room correction

On PC it is possible I believe

HDMI source simplifies things a lot. Just an Apple TV 4K source for example

 

[Vincentponcet]

People with macOS can do the Atmos stuff + room correction

On PC it is possible I believe

HDMI source simplifies things a lot. Just an Apple TV 4K source for example

You can have video streaming services and mkv file reading with Atmos and Dolby vision on a macos to a TV and external DACs ?

 

[ppataki]

You can have video streaming services and mkv file reading with Atmos and Dolby vision on a macos to a TV and external DACs ?

On a PC, you can't (at least not in real-time)
There is a way to do it offline using Cavern but there is no way to do it in real-time
EDIT: now you can, with this device, but other than that, you can't
But I would be really happy to stand corrected

For Mac, I have no idea TBH

 

[Music1969]

You can have video streaming services and mkv file reading with Atmos and Dolby vision on a macos to a TV and external DACs ?

Absolutely , for a long time now

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[Roland68]

H16-AIP - Nuprime-X

The Nuprime-X H16-AIP is a high-performance Digital AV Home Theater Processor that supports immersive audio formats such as Dolby Atmos® and DTS:X®, with full eARC HDMI and 4K HDR video pass-through. It enables networked audio distribution via AES67, allowing decoded HDMI audio to be streamed...

nuprime-x.com

The Nuprime H16-A has the potential to be a real game changer. Couple this to a computer running a state of the art convulsion filter and a multichannel DAC and you could exceed the performance of most any of the $15,000 plus processors for a fraction of the price.

What exactly do I do with this device, and what else do I need?
Once everything's set up, can I use it with just as little effort as my AVR?
For example, with a Blu-ray player and Fire TV Stick as sources?

 

[staticV3]

What exactly do I do with this device, and what else do I need?

It can replace a traditional AVR/AVP, with the caveat being that it only outputs via AES67/Dante/Ravenna, so compatible loudspeakers (or converters) are required for playback.

E.g. KH120II AES67, Genelec Smart IP, Buchardt A10/A500, Mesanovic CDM65, Kii Seven etc.

 

[Sashoir]

H16-AIP - Nuprime-X

The Nuprime-X H16-AIP is a high-performance Digital AV Home Theater Processor that supports immersive audio formats such as Dolby Atmos® and DTS:X®, with full eARC HDMI and 4K HDR video pass-through. It enables networked audio distribution via AES67, allowing decoded HDMI audio to be streamed...

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...Couple this to a computer running a state of the art convulsion filter and a multichannel DAC...

My (very limited) understanding of the various AoIP protocols is that they've the concept of a master clock which synchronises the outputs at a sample level. If you were to convolve or otherwise manipulate the audio, would not this mean that the video signal would need to be delayed to the the latency of the "slowest" part of the audio processing pipeline (outside the device): does this device do that? or is the onus on you to ensure the latency is not noticeable?

 

[PGAMiami]

I’m not expecting this device will delay the video. In my case I first tried using a simple two channel set of for video, using the toslink out from my Samsung TV. That fed a minidsp box that was connected via USB on a PC, and the PC had a convolution filter. The Samsung TVs do have an adjustable delay for toslink which I never really bothered with. However, when Mitch designed the convolution filters he sent me two, one optimized for audio that had higher latency and ran on Roon, just for music. And another with very low latency that ran on the PC. Never noticed any issues with lipsync. Even with this limited level of latency I believe this outperforms Dirac, at least in my case. But there is no substitute for multichannel when it comes to video, and you need the LFE which is not always in the two channel mix. Also toslink is limited to 16/48, not HD. Thereby the interest in H16-A. But all said and done, I would expect by the time you put it all together, a Nuprime H16-A plus all the other components may cost $5-6,000. Much more than a basic AVR, but with performance exceeding the $15000 processors.

 

[danstahl]

At first I thought this decoded and output via hdmi. That could have been a game changer... could have used in conjuction with eg a minidsp flex ht.

 

[Littletycoon]

I’m not expecting this device will delay the video. In my case I first tried using a simple two channel set of for video, using the toslink out from my Samsung TV. That fed a minidsp box that was connected via USB on a PC, and the PC had a convolution filter. The Samsung TVs do have an adjustable delay for toslink which I never really bothered with. However, when Mitch designed the convolution filters he sent me two, one optimized for audio that had higher latency and ran on Roon, just for music. And another with very low latency that ran on the PC. Never noticed any issues with lipsync. Even with this limited level of latency I believe this outperforms Dirac, at least in my case. But there is no substitute for multichannel when it comes to video, and you need the LFE which is not always in the two channel mix. Also toslink is limited to 16/48, not HD. Thereby the interest in H16-A. But all said and done, I would expect by the time you put it all together, a Nuprime H16-A plus all the other components may cost $5-6,000. Much more than a basic AVR, but with performance exceeding the $15000 processors.

Not much other components to add. The box even supports hdmi-cec. Really a game changer if it can do u/i 16 channels

 

[PGAMiami]

At first I thought this decoded and output via hdmi. That could have been a game changer... could have used in conjuction with eg a minidsp flex

Not much other components to add. The box even supports hdmi-cec. Really a game changer if it can do u/i 16 channels

This would depend on what you have now, and how far you want to take this. If you have speakers that do AoIP and a TV switching all inputs and with eARC, then you may not need much else. In my case I would want to have a computer running a convolver and Mitch Barnett measuring the room and designing the multichannel filters. He charges I believe 1500 and is worth every penny. You also need a few licenses and a multichannel DAC, like the Okto DAC8 Pro at a minimum, or a Merging DAC if you need more channels. I guess instead you could load Dirac on a computer and save Mitch’s fees, but it would surely be an inferior solution to what he can do with Audiolense. Before long your at several thousand but much much less than a Storm or Trinnov, and likely much much better.

Chris at Audiophilestyle should soon be looking at how to use this very promising box. He’s forgotten more about high performance multichannel music than I will ever know. Exciting times.

 

[PGAMiami]

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Haven’t had a chance to read much of this and I don’t know much about AoIP. That said, this looks very intriguing

 

[welwynnick]

In my case I would want to have a computer running a convolver and Mitch Barnett measuring the room and designing the multichannel filters. He charges I believe 1500 and is worth every penny. You also need a few licenses and a multichannel DAC, like the Okto DAC8 Pro at a minimum, or a Merging DAC if you need more channels. I guess instead you could load Dirac on a computer and save Mitch’s fees, but it would surely be an inferior solution to what he can do with Audiolense.

I find top-tier processor pricing more than objectionable, so I've been trying to find a good Atmos decoder with digital outputs for nearly a year.
Recently I've read many accounts of how people have used Mitch Barnett to design Audiolense filters for them, and have achieved truly superb results.
Surely Mitch isn't the only person in the World who can do this?

 

[Koeitje]

Only HDMI 2.1, what a bummer. HDMI 2.1 was introduced in 2017 and manufacturers still refuse to put a nearly 8 year old standard in their products. Especially for an enthousiast product.

 

[welwynnick]

Only HDMI 2.1, what a bummer.

What's wrong with that?
AFAIK there are no products with HDMI 2.2 yet. Who needs 16k video? I'm certainly not standing in line....

 

[Esprit]

People with macOS can do the Atmos stuff + room correction

How?