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Nubert NuVero 60 Speaker Review

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*with the speakers pointed straight at you.

It'd be nice if Amir could adopt Erin's method of showing EIR at different angles:
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Especially for speakers like this that we're designed for zero toe-in.
EIR is a prediction for people who sit in untreated listening rooms, where sound quality is compromised from the get-go.
What sense does it make to delve even deeper into unpredictable setups?
 

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EIR is a prediction for people who sit in untreated listening rooms, where sound quality is compromised from the get-go.
What sense does it make to delve even deeper into unpredictable setups?
Good loudspeaker designs have predictable response even in unpredictable listening environments.
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If we can use EIR to drive home a certain design aspect (e.g. speakers designed for zero toe-in), then why shouldn't we?

It can help the reader make an educated purchase.
 
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It'd be nice if Amir could adopt Erin's method of showing EIR at different angles:
There is no significant change showed in that example. The current PIR came from research into what an average response should be and was correlated with actual in-room measurements. Unless you repeat that with another setup, there is no reason to believe that it has the same predictive power.

The whole concept of having speakers straight out is wrong to me. No way can you compute the listening angle properly as everyone's distance to the speaker will be difference and hence, so will the angle. With on-axis response, this goes away.
 

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No way can you compute the listening angle properly as everyone's distance to the speaker will be difference and hence, so will the angle. With on-axis response, this goes away.
Good point. I wonder how Erin set up his ±30° PIR graphs.
 
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It would be nice if you could capture one additional sweep as a baseline, at a volume where the speaker is likely to still be within its linear operating range.
From what we know, the Nubert may already be slightly compressing at 96dB, and so plotting the higher volumes relative to this already "tainted" sweep as baseline is a bit dissatisfying :D
I only run this test on capable speakers to find their absolute limit. And then I listen for signs of distortion. The graphs don't show this so the measurement view is not that useful.
 

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Ive always wanted to see how they performed, I wish we had a Nubert Dealer here in the US tbh they measure super well!
 

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Teardown video:

You can have youtube generate translated subtitles in the settings.

XO schematic and driver models at 19:36. Sub is a Peerless HDS160, midrange a TEBM46, tweeter a Scan D2608. I am surprised it distorts this much.
Another German review on the nuVero 60:
@restorer-john: in red….

 
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Good loudspeaker designs have predictable response even in unpredictable listening environments.
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If we can use EIR to drive home a certain design aspect (e.g. speakers designed for zero toe-in), then why shouldn't we?

It can help the reader make an educated purchase.
EIR is just a dumbed down version of the contour plots. Once you understand those, there is no need for EIR anymore. And if you don't understand the contour plots, you should learn to do that over looking at EIR imo. EIR is also not representative of nearfield listening, which is important to note. For mid-field listening it's not accurate if you have room treatment (the mid-dip won't manifest nearly as much when you have some absorption on the ceiling).
It gives some ideas on how the speaker might sound and what kind of treatment will be especially important based on the design, but I'm really not a fan of cramming all of the speaker's directivity information into a single plot. And if you need to look at directivity to have an educated guess of the loudspeaker's performance anyways, then why bother with EIR...
 

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I know it's very shallow but I cannot at all get past the very weird asymmetric driver plates for the tweeter and midrange. Just can't do it.
 

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Valid point! Still I can never really get behind the idea of designing a speaker in a way so the best listening position is off the axis. It's like designing a TV that is oversaturated and uncalibrated when you sit straight in front of it and only people standing in the edge of the room have the ideal view. It just does not makes sense vor me. At least not for hifi speakers where people spend a good buck to get good sound.
There is something to be said for contributing more HF energy to the room while maintaining neutral sound at the listening position. Almost everything we do in sound room recording and playback attenuates high frequencies, which is why people like the sound of dipoles and other speakers which make an effort to restore this balance.

The listening axis is an arbitrary point in space, and it could be argued that conventional speakers are equally flawed, given the dramatically attenuated treble they offer at most angles. This dark tonality is not the only way to reproduce sound, even with a smooth directivity index.
 

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great to see a review of that local german brand that is just half an hour drive away.
I own the Nuvero10 (discountinued) for 13years without issues.
Just wanted to add that they are of great quality.
Recently they have announced the the nuvero series will be replaced by the NuZeo, which looks similar but being active speakers now.
 

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Mmm I really dig the wide dispersion.

Also this is like the first BMR that measured well here?
 

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To ask the more audio tech savyy people here: didn't this review confirm that BMR are superior mid range chassis in three- or more-way speakers?
 

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To ask the more audio tech savyy people here: didn't this review confirm that BMR are superior mid range chassis in three- or more-way speakers?
Are they? While they are not bad (I have also bought and experimented with several of these Tectonic BMR drivers as mids) in my experience they aren't in total really better than a good mid dome or cone, their advantages are wider directivity, lower crossover capabilities and low price, on the other hand their distortion is higher and their directivity not as smooth, so like everything it is a compromise and depends on the individual priorities which will be the better choice.
 

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Are they? While they are not bad (I have also bought and experimented with several of these Tectonic BMR drivers as mids) in my experience they aren't in total really better than a good mid dome or cone, their advantages are wider directivity, lower crossover capabilities and low price, on the other hand their distortion is higher and their directivity not as smooth, so like everything it is a compromise and depends on the individual priorities which will be the better choice.

My experience is comparable but may just be a matter of target application. Most of these drivers are targeted for applications with limited space and tight cost constraints. A BMR design optimized to be a hifi midrange would make it more interesting. Otherwise agree the current offerings are not vastly superior to other midrange drivers.
 
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