In all of the years I have been listening to movie soundtracks, I have never heard of bass "being in my head". Subwoofers that are positioned in the corners will give you all of the spaciousness you need. Besides, the other gentleman was talking about moving the bass around the room. I think you are talking about something different than he is.
Tonality is not established at bass frequencies. It is established in the midrange and upper frequencies.
Matching in tonality, yes. Not matching in size or frequency extension. That is not necessary, and neither is having 5 full-range speakers.
Listen to the youtube demonstration with headphones. It makes it really obvious what he is talking about. But he is also talking music, not movies.
I'm about 80% interested in listening to music.
"Soundmixer".
I don't know where this believe, that bass in mono was something to strive for, comes from. Or that professional setups would work with bass in mono.
Movement in the bass is fun and is sounding great!
This is the image over frequency, only between the surround channels, of a recent movie:
Is that enough full spectrum dominance and stereo bass in the surrounds?
Even for stereo mixes, where mono-compatibility always has been important, since the late 1990s, effects, like for example the Waves S1 shuffling, have been used for all kinds of (intentionally exaggerated) bassy stereo fx, flybys or reverberated bigroom kicks that spread out, mostly on intros/interludes in EDM. On headphones these effects are creating a nice unusual pressure difference between the ears, especially if it goes lower. Stereo-Upmixers with surround speakers that are not monoized, can reproduce an increased sensation of width and depth in these situations (because these effects work with anti-phase, they are steering the surround channels strongly).
We are not talking about headphones; we are talking about speakers. Headphones were never brought up in this discussion. Whether talking about movie reproduction or music reproduction, the principle of getting good sound is the same.
This means absolutely nothing...."Soundmixer".
Yes, I know. I referenced multiple articles regarding koudspeakers in a room. His demo lets you hear the effect easily with headphones. His research is how to get the same thing in a home that occurs naturally in a concert hall.
Sure it simply means you have no clue about mixing, are not a mixing engineer and you are regurgitating hifi-consumer-falsehoods.
This sounds to me like a personal attack, with a strong dose of ignorance attached. Let me ask you what mixing experience do you have that allows you to judge me? From what I have read, you have none whatsoever, which makes you unqualified to make such a determination. Maybe you should stick to what you know, which does not seem like a lot.
You entered this thread putting on like your an expert in the field and using the handle @Soundmixer
Why would I stop telling the truth? Do you really think a sound designer spends precious time mixing stereo bass when it is not audible on the dubbing stage, in a theater, or in the home?
Couple of thoughts…
They'd better be big speakers with very powerful amps. I don't know many speakers that can reproduce the LFE channel without barfing up their parts. Without a sub, you are going to have to house curve your front L/R mains, and that puts a lot of stress on the amps and the woofers of the mains, not to mention reducing headroom and increasing distortion.
I use 60 all around and have considered trying even lower but I am in the middle of changing processors and will wait till then.
I'm sure it's nice to have the room for all that, I'm limited to 5.2.4 here and would really love to go to 7. but just can't.
I'd love more, how about trading off some of your excess room space just for good karma ?While I do get limit on surround backs, there is NO excuse for having only 2 subs
