Not trying to be arrogant here, but who listens to this?

[Multicore]

For a moment I thought I was seeing Geddy's doppelganger.

I saw Rush at the time he was touring with this rig. I don't remember the music very well but they were tight. Handling that much gear when you're the bass player in a rock trio is not easy. And that guitar must weigh 8 kg or more.

 

[krabapple]

I have heard the stories of pre-digital loops: my dad used Revox A77 with those long physical loops of tape. And musique concrète assembly, cutting tape with razors at different angle to achieve the cross-fade. Also other technical and performance antics with feedback and so on. The digital world is different.

fairly famous use of Revoxes to create musical loops was by Brian Eno and Robert Fripp in the 70s (Fripp kept on with it in his career , as 'Frippertronics').

Here's an example from the mid 80s, rare and somewhat unrepresentative in that at the start he's playing acoustic guitar over his loop instead of electric. I post it because it's beautiful.

 

[computer-audiophile]

Before people get the idea that I am a nostalgic person, perhaps I should concentrate on the very recent "Neue Musik". After Stockhausen, there are at least two generations of young composers, and these are the ones we encounter today. One of the last concerts of this kind we have visited, again with interesting percussion instruments, was the discussion concert last december - Hanna Eimermacher in the concert hall of the Hochschule für Musik Carl Maria von Weber, Dresden.

The Berlin composer Hanna Eimermacher, who has been internationally successful for several years, was a guest for the first time for a project week at the HfM Dresden and was heard with various new instrumental works performed by students of the HfM Dresden, conductor: Tomas Westbrooke, Presenter: Prof. Dr. Jörn Peter Hiekel.

I made a photo of this impressing Setup.

 

[computer-audiophile]

I saw Rush at the time he was touring with this rig. I don't remember the music very well but they were tight....

I don't know this group, but it seems to be a rock band. I don't see any connection to Messiaen or other apologists of contemporary classical music. Or any other avant-garde approach.

 

[computer-audiophile]

fairly famous use of Revoxes to create musical loops was by Brian Eno and Robert Fripp in the 70s (Fripp kept on with it in his career , as 'Frippertronics').

Here's an example from the mid 80s, rare and somewhat unrepresentative in that at the start he's playing acoustic guitar over his loop instead of electric. I post it because it's beautiful.

Nice to hear. I found other examples of Fripp's music at YouTube. A timeless and universal music, like an elated journey through the land of electric sound.

 

[Multicore]

I don't know this group, but it seems to be a rock band. I don't see any connection to Messiaen or other apologists of contemporary classical music. Or any other avant-garde approach.

The connection appears to be old electronic musical equipment with large consoles of knobs, switches, patch bays, etc. From antique audio tape machinery to Node to the musician pictured wearing double-neck guitar who was at that time performing in the band called Rush and then I mentioned that I had seen this musician play this rig or one very like it.

 

[Multicore]

A wonderful piece! In 2019, I was lucky to attend one of the last performances (if not the last). It was magical. Although it's hard to separate the pure enjoyment of the music from the feeling that this legendary person is performing right in front of you (and, coincidentally, was sitting right next to you just a moment ago ).

So cool. Thanks for mentioning it. I've only heard recordings. The piece is remarkable in that it is able to evoke a wide range of intellectual responses including from casual music consumers. The original text has a friendly, witty quality that likely contributed to its success.

 

[Multicore]

The Conlon Collective was named after Samuel Conlon Nancarrow, one of the first people who ‘wrote’ (punched cards, probably) for Player Piano, in order to have it playing music beyond human capacity.

Nancarrow's compositions are astonishing and wonderful. They were created by someone completely disconnected from the cloisters and temples of Neue Musik, as though from a hermetic heretical prophet in the desert. (Iirc Nancarrow exiled himnself to Mexico from the USA for political reasons.) His works had a big influence on Ligeti's solo piano compositions (which are very good) and, I'm not sure I remember this right but..., Ligeti did not at first know that they were player piano rolls and they therefore presented quite a challenge!

the (non-midi and devilishly complicated and hard to play) Fokker Organ built in 1950, and based on the 31-tone theory of 17th century scientist Christiaan Huygens.

This is very interesting. Anders Thidell, the music theory specialist and guitar builder who recently died and was involved in developing the True Temperament guitar fretboards, made a guitar with 31 tones. Not practical for most people to play and you really need to understand the tuning theory and corresponding systems of harmony to compose and play for it. Perhaps his 31 tone guitar relates to the system of Huygens.

 

[tuga]

Is this a beautiful artistic painting with REAL value.
Or are a bunch of con artists laughing all the way to the bank.
Right along with the cable snake-oil market?

Anyone can learn to paint like a master, well almost anyone.

Painting as Art is more than that. Conceptual or abstract Art may demand a bit more from the viewer but it doesn't make it less Art.

 

[computer-audiophile]

Where the line is between highly elaborate avant-garde composition and pop music, or electronic music as it is played in clubs, is hard to define and blurred for me. I don't really like electronic lounge music, or most of it. It puts my feet to sleep. (I don't know if that's how you say it in English.) But there are also sound artists in this border area who are really talented and outstanding. Last autumn we went to one of these types of performances. I got on very well with the man, but now I have forgotten his name.

I made a photo:

 

[computer-audiophile]

Anyone can learn to paint like a master, well almost anyone.

Unfortunately, that's not true for me. But it doesn't stop me.

Painting as Art is more than that. Conceptual or abstract Art may demand a bit more from the viewer but it doesn't make it less Art.

Yes, very true.

 

[Multicore]

Nice to hear. I found other examples of Fripp's music at YouTube. A timeless and universal music, like an elated journey through the land of electric sound.

The Frippertronics on Fripp's first four solo albums (Exposure, God Save the Queen/Under Heavy Manners, Let the Power Fall, The League if Gentlemen) were the greatest single influence on my own music making over the last 35+ years.

 

[computer-audiophile]

The Frippertronics on Fripp's first four solo albums (Exposure, God Save the Queen/Under Heavy Manners, Let the Power Fall, The League if Gentlemen) were the greatest single influence on my own music making over the last 35+ years.

Very interesting what is coming out in this thread.
It's also particularly helpful that nowadays you can usually find audio samples of something you don't know yet very quickly. These are paradisiacal conditions for sound researchers. On the other hand, there is also the danger of information overload.

 

[Multicore]

Where the line is between highly elaborate avant-garde composition and pop music, or electronic music as it is played in clubs, is hard to define and blurred for me.

In terms of the musical aesthetics I don't think there is a line.

 

[Axo1989]

Anyone can learn to paint like a master, well almost anyone.

Painting as Art is more than that. Conceptual or abstract Art may demand a bit more from the viewer but it doesn't make it less Art.

Yes, that whole line of argument—that it's possible to make a rough copy of certain works, therefore they can't be art—is tired nonsense.

 

[RayDunzl]

As regards something that is not a "musical instrument" being used as a musical instrument, consider the drum machine---backbone of many hip-hop productions. Better still, the way Colin Nancarrow used the player piano by hand-punching holes into the piano roll:

 

[krabapple]

I don't know this group, but it seems to be a rock band. I don't see any connection to Messiaen or other apologists of contemporary classical music. Or any other avant-garde approach.

There is none, it's just a Rush fan being a Rush fan. If anything, the picture you posted of that 2011 Moog brings Keith Emerson to mind, not Rush, from the rock world.

 

[Multicore]

 

[Triliza]

Many years ago I was in Madrid for a time. One of my flatmates was working at Reina Sofia museum and she offered to tour me around. There were many famous paintings in there (Picasso, Dali...), but at one point she said she was going to show me one of the most treasured paintings in the museum. At guess what, it was a painting of one of those queens/duchesses (of the 17/18 centuries or something like that I guess, can't remember who it was depicted or who the painter was), you know, the plump ladies with red cheeks and colorful dresses. And I was like, what, it's ok, but nothing special. Then she start explaining the technique (probably groundbreaking at the time it was painted), how the colors blended together and all that, and it was like a revelation to me, I start paying attention to all that and it was a god damn nice painting, more than nice, it was great.

And this happens to me now and then, with movies, music and all forms of art. Through others, reading, just growing up, perception of things change and what once had seen common becomes beautiful, and the other way around. That said, there are many pieces of art and artists out there that I have tried to feel, but just can't do it no matter what (not referring to Messiaen). And that is just fine with me, I just don't bother.

 

[JaMaSt]

There is none, it's just a Rush fan being a Rush fan. If anything, the picture you posted of that 2011 Moog brings Keith Emerson to mind, not Rush, from the rock world.

Guilty as charged!

Moog Music knows Geddy fairly well.