Not really fair or accurate. Academia killed "classical" music. (Long discussion possible) Williams and his compatriots (e.g., Korngold, Steiner, Yared, et al.) are guilty of nothing worse than keeping classical music on life support during the 20th and 21st centuries, preserving the possibility of a public whose ears are capable of parsing something more profound than I IV V IV I. (Louie Louie)I found this interactive timeline of classical music interesting. Worthwhile taking a look, especially for people new to classical music and struggling to put composers into historical context.
https://time.graphics/line/487
The timeline stops after John Williams. Would it be fair to say he killed classical music?
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It's more when it becomes too generic, too much according to template 1A that it becomes unlistenable. AI can create such music nowadays but here is a human, Andy Edwards, who jokes about exactly that regarding Americana and English Folk Music:
The song about the swan, the badger and the fox was in itself quite funny, I must say.
The song about the swan, the badger and the fox was in itself quite funny, I must say.
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That's a fun video but I've lost context. Which "it" were we talking about (your 4th word)?It's more when it becomes too generic, too much according to template 1A that it becomes unlistenable. AI can create such music nowadays but here is a human, Andy Edwards, who jokes about exactly that regarding Americana and English Folk Music:
The song about the swan, the badger and the fox was in itself quite funny, I must say.
I'm new to Andy Edwards' videos. I didn't notice any edits in it. That's strong work.
He doesn't edit his videos from what I've seen. If you like prog and fusion, you will get many good tips from his videos. He also has some interesting stories about Robert Plant.
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Just came back from our local symphony orchestra, they played these two pieces:
Bohdana Frolyak: Let there be Light (2023)
Bryce Dessner: Violin Concerto (2021)
Frolyak is really good, but Dessner is an outstanding grand piece and a real tour de force for both soloist and orchestra. Absolutely love it.
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Bringing the thread back to life with
1. a review of two Massiaen books in LRB
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2. I think this was the video in OP since lost
1. a review of two Massiaen books in LRB
Adam Shatz · Wash out your ears: Messiaen’s Ecstasies
Messiaen saw no reason to limit his options in the name of musical progress. He didn’t believe in progress; he...
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2. I think this was the video in OP since lost
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Beautiful instruments for sure.
Wish I had the talent to play and enjoy them.
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I like Carl Stallings style way better than most. (As a child I did go to Classic Music events [and {unfortunately for me] operas in Salzburg, Austria]).
I actually developed a small bit of liking for the Classical Music (though I like the folk music that much of it is derived from, MUCH BETTER).
Opera? (and some of my acquaintances were Opera Singers). ABSOLUTELY NOT!
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The older Cartoons (and their very good music [& more adult innuendos]) are much better, though.Hush, don't let it get around and ruin your reputation here.
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I skipped over much of the thread but will add: The original Louie Louie (Richard Berry) is still I IV V but in contrast to the more widely popular Kingsman version, is sleek, elegant, and has excellent musicians providing the backing.
Here is a post of Stockhausen’s Etude (1952), which for me conjures up a conversation between a couple of electric shavers. Enjoy!
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Perhaps Etude was dreaming of what would be possible with a MOOG: 21 years in the future (please watch at least until the Sax Player jumps in)
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Especially that section from 6:10 to 7:00!
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Etude was very early. I think Stockhausen was very successful at getting good and interesting music out of electronics in the period before the transition to commercial music synths that largely put to rest the era of ad hoc and custom equipment.
One of the great composers that I especially admire working in that area who doesn't get so much attention is İlhan Mimaroğlu. Here is Agony, composed May 1965 at Columbia-Princeton Electronic Musc Center.
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Edgar Winter and his band played in Peoria supporting They Only Come Out at Night. It was good to see him/them as I was a fan of his album Roadwork and Johnny Winter And's Live album. The crowd was very responsive to Edgar, especially when they played Frankenstein. I wasn't able to catch Johnny Winter in performance.
"Gesang der Jünglinge" was my intro to Stockhausen's work, and that was after reading about it's influence on Paul McCartney and the other Beatles. Imagine of all the work it must have taken to find, cut and splice all of those tape loops!
In the long term Etude is the piece of Stockhausen's that really stuck with me. It's amazing how technology has made those kinds of sounds so commonplace that we don't even notice anymore. It's also amazing how deeply the work of the composers from the beginning of the 20th century through the mid-'60s has influenced the music in every style since!
"Gesang der Jünglinge" was my intro to Stockhausen's work, and that was after reading about it's influence on Paul McCartney and the other Beatles. Imagine of all the work it must have taken to find, cut and splice all of those tape loops!
In the long term Etude is the piece of Stockhausen's that really stuck with me. It's amazing how technology has made those kinds of sounds so commonplace that we don't even notice anymore. It's also amazing how deeply the work of the composers from the beginning of the 20th century through the mid-'60s has influenced the music in every style since!
It should also be remembered that much of this mid-century electronic/conrète work was state funded. The technology to make this stuff was damn expensive: Stockhausen at the WDR Studio for Electronic Music in Cologne, Pierre Schaeffer at RTF in Paris (which in turn spawned the GRM with Iannis Xenakis, Francois Bayle, Bernard Parmeggiani etc.), Luciano Berio in Studio di Fonologia Musicale RAI in Milan. Not to mention the Radiophonic Workshop at the BBC.
There was a really time where the state invested in experimantal music as a public good. How naïve!
Johnny was a great blues player, too bad you missed him.
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